The consequences of Irish "morality" comes home to roost

cry freedom

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This has been going on for much longer than most people care to remember. When Dev slithered into the Dail, after plunging the country into a ruinous civil war, he signed the Dail register which implicitly contained an oath of allegiance to the British Monarch. But he really didn't sign it, [ if you know what I mean.Nudge , nudge, wink wink]
The last time FF and Ireland came face to face with the real consequences of its actions was during the economic war when they reneged on their legal agreements.
FF have been very good at fooling their supporters inside the country but found wanting when confronted with international scrutiny.
On this occasion the IMF are unlikely to be fooled by their auld sh!te!
 


Sham96

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Good Point. Our dirty laundry is being viewed all over the worlds media this time.
 

seangos

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The reality is that FF simply do not do morality, this has been clear for donkey's years. They see themselves as the default government - the 'Soldiers of Destiny', and they claim the right to lead the country even when their ill-gotten mandate has been shreded. Morality simply does not apply to them or their cronies - it's only for political opponents and little people. Needless to say this has had disastrous implications for the political system for years but its effect has been even more corrosive on the rest of society.

FF's complete lack of moral rigour or any sense of right and wrong has contributed to a general contempt for politics in general.
Their failure to insist on productivity and responsibilty within the public service has lead to a widespread contempt among the private sector for those who are perceived to pick up a salary for doing little or no work.
Their pandering to the crass demands of developers, allowing appalling planning decisions for a few lousy grand.
Their failure to own up to mistakes and respect the offices they hold (Burke/O'Dea/Ahern) has diminished the authority of senior ministers
Their complete contempt for the Dail
The constant lying and misrepresentation to the people of Ireland
The buying of elections and utter failure to plan appropriately - just pandering to local and vested interests at every corner

To be FF is to be utterly amoral and anyone who supports those blackguards should take a long hard look at themselves. Ultimately to want FF in power is not to want the best for this country.
 

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I don't believe that we are that different to other countries, Italy, Spain, UK, the US are all mired in corruption. Most of the governments of the world have bought into the low tax, no govenrment model and appealed to peoples baser matters. Many countries now bemoan a lack of community and have sleep walked into a recession. At the last election its not like Fine Fail were swept to power on a champange tidal wave, there vote dropped substantially, but you had carbon copies staring back accross the house. That is not unlike most countries. We have basically got a world which the neo liberals wanted impotent governments, there to serve corporate intersts. I think you are giving the Irish people to little credit, essentially disenfranchised from electoral options and Fine Fail too much credit for doing something that Fine Gael would have been incabable of doing.
 

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If there was ever a need for a new party and a complete fresh set of ideas, separated from the politics of the past, it's now. Ireland is still a young country, we don't need to keep repeating the same dead mantra.

will it happen?
 

Edo

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If there was ever a need for a new party and a complete fresh set of ideas, separated from the politics of the past, it's now. Ireland is still a young country, we don't need to keep repeating the same dead mantra.

will it happen?
Will you do anything about it?

Im sick to the back teeth of 99% of the population of this country whinging and waiting for somebody else to do something.

I hate to say it - but this site has denegerated into an online equivalent of a pub in the afternoon full of bar flies giving out, telling us what they would do if they ever got off their stools.......

Im a member of a political party - I got involved 6 years ago at the age of 32 - because I felt that if I didnt get involved - well then i had no right to complain.

I dont agree with everything my party stands for - but I try and change the way people in the party think about issues and influence them into changing - if more people of my generation and younger got involved in all existing political parties or started their own - things would be a lot different - its amazing how few people are involved - a political party will have you if you have a pulse...........

But its f^ckin hard work - it takes time, commitment and patience..........

The Irish people have to start walking the walk as opposed to talking the talk - we have the lowest political participatory rate in the whole of Europe - that has to change.

so get off the fence - get off the ditch and plug out the laptop and get involved.
 

Anglo Celt

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I'm afraid I won't be starting a political party of my own. I'm far too removed from the whole situation. What Irish citizen would vote for someone who's a member of the Orange Order? I'd be the kiss of death for that group :D

Fully willing to support any new and worthwhile political party with both time and money though. Just say the word ;)
 

Aspherical123

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I don't believe that we are that different to other countries, Italy, Spain, UK, the US are all mired in corruption. Most of the governments of the world have bought into the low tax, no govenrment model and appealed to peoples baser matters. Many countries now bemoan a lack of community and have sleep walked into a recession. At the last election its not like Fine Fail were swept to power on a champange tidal wave, there vote dropped substantially, but you had carbon copies staring back accross the house. That is not unlike most countries. We have basically got a world which the neo liberals wanted impotent governments, there to serve corporate intersts. I think you are giving the Irish people to little credit, essentially disenfranchised from electoral options and Fine Fail too much credit for doing something that Fine Gael would have been incabable of doing.
Yes, but MPs are going on trial others had to pay back, Ireland is possibly the least corrupt catholic country but alot more corrupt then the uk, its part of the culture.
 

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Will you do anything about it?

Im sick to the back teeth of 99% of the population of this country whinging and waiting for somebody else to do something.

I hate to say it - but this site has denegerated into an online equivalent of a pub in the afternoon full of bar flies giving out, telling us what they would do if they ever got off their stools.......

Im a member of a political party - I got involved 6 years ago at the age of 32 - because I felt that if I didnt get involved - well then i had no right to complain.

I dont agree with everything my party stands for - but I try and change the way people in the party think about issues and influence them into changing - if more people of my generation and younger got involved in all existing political parties or started their own - things would be a lot different - its amazing how few people are involved - a political party will have you if you have a pulse...........

But its f^ckin hard work - it takes time, commitment and patience..........

The Irish people have to start walking the walk as opposed to talking the talk - we have the lowest political participatory rate in the whole of Europe - that has to change.

so get off the fence - get off the ditch and plug out the laptop and get involved.
Nice one, Edo. I do think though that the Irish do not have a general morality. Fintan O'Toole refers a civil society. It is very hard for folks in small town communities to have an objective morality. A lot of what I see is people being obsessed with being on the "inside" of the tribe.
 

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Check out Silvio Berlusconi, who has gotten away with owning the main Italian TV station and media outlets while in office, having them pump out his propaganga non-stop, having his own employees elected to Parliament, gaining an illicit fortune, getting divorced, shagging nubile teenagers, models and escorts in his spare time, and all the time flashing the cheesiest grin you ever did see. He makes Charlie Haughey look like Mahatma Gandhi.

The main Irish problem was always sex. Cheat on taxes, rob banks, beat up old ladies ... all could be forgiven if you were "pure". Even then it was really "don't get caught". Haughey was typical.
 


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