The cost of a pint in the pub? Beatings and stabbings at home/

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This weekend, we've already had 2 bad beatings,/stabbings in Belfast and its an emerging pattern that's pretty much weekly. I live near a large estate and right from the start of their drinking experience, a most enjoyable period in our youth, the kids make no connection between going out for a social pint but rather with drinking in houses, augmented by dope and prescribed meds.

This means, these kids don't have the nod & a wink period when they are allowed an under age couple by a sensible barman, in the company of regulars who will keep them in check. I firmly believe that even those on the dole should be paid enough to go out for a few pints, including them in society rather than leading hem to the aforementioned scenario.

When I talk to these kids, it really breaks my heart. Unemployed, working zero hours or on minimum wage forever, they are robbed of even the chance to court and meet prospective partners outside of their own areas and experience.

But even in the middle aged, they too are increasingly drinking in each other's homes and even replicating the young ones by adding crap dope and pills to their experience.

What we need is a return to the pub, starting with seriously slashing the price of beer, wine & spirits in pubs, the head melting booze an stay priced as it is.

Your thoughts?
 


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This weekend, we've already had 2 bad beatings,/stabbings in Belfast and its an emerging pattern that's pretty much weekly. I live near a large estate and right from the start of their drinking experience, a most enjoyable period in our youth, the kids make no connection between going out for a social pint but rather with drinking in houses, augmented by dope and prescribed meds.

This means, these kids don't have the nod & a wink period when they are allowed an under age couple by a sensible barman, in the company of regulars who will keep them in check. I firmly believe that even those on the dole should be paid enough to go out for a few pints, including them in society rather than leading hem to the aforementioned scenario.

When I talk to these kids, it really breaks my heart. Unemployed, working zero hours or on minimum wage forever, they are robbed of even the chance to court and meet prospective partners outside of their own areas and experience.

But even in the middle aged, they too are increasingly drinking in each other's homes and even replicating the young ones by adding crap dope and pills to their experience.

What we need is a return to the pub, starting with seriously slashing the price of beer, wine & spirits in pubs, the head melting booze an stay priced as it is.

Your thoughts?
BTW, if you don't know me, I'm well aware that I ramble :roll:
 

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I think the smoking ban is part of the reason people drink at home too.
It is indeed and too many bars haven't set up decent facilities for smokers
 

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I don’t think it’s the smoking at all actually... I think it’s a combination of things which have lead to the demise of the pub and the meteoric rise of the house party..

Dirt cheap Tesco type booze ...
Expensive booze in pubs...
Drugs...
Texting & the internet ... when i was a kid you went to the pub on the weekends for the craic and to find out what everyone was up to ... kids dont even need to “talk” to each other now as everything’s all over feckin face book .. and they text instead of talking anyway.

Aye maybe smoking doest help either!!


Would minimum prices for booze, as per Scotland, help ? ... maybe ..
 

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I don’t think it’s the smoking at all actually... I think it’s a combination of things which have lead to the demise of the pub and the meteoric rise of the house party..

Dirt cheap Tesco type booze ...
Expensive booze in pubs...
Drugs...
Texting & the internet ... when i was a kid you went to the pub on the weekends for the craic and to find out what everyone was up to ... kids dont even need to “talk” to each other now as everything’s all over feckin face book .. and they text instead of talking anyway.

Aye maybe smoking doest help either!!


Would minimum prices for booze, as per Scotland, help ? ... maybe ..
I don't think so but I do think the price for ordinary drinks, in pubs, is at least twice what it should be
 

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I really cannot express how much this is breaking my heart, the sheer misery ad I say that as a one time kid on the Falls Rd in the 70's & 80's.

Just think, how the fuk can things be worse now than they were then?
 

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I really cannot express how much this is breaking my heart, the sheer misery ad I say that as a one time kid on the Falls Rd in the 70's & 80's.

Just think, how the fuk can things be worse now than they were then?
Availability of cheap dirty drugs ....which were just not about years ago ..

And the internet ...
 

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The taxation on beer is scandalous. Recently HMG has cut and frozen the tax but over 50p tax per pint is still ridiculous and I agree it harms the social fabric of society by having the effect of reducing social interaction in public places, particularly amongst the lowest earners.
 

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Totally agree with your sentiments Esk and something I bemoan myself.

The pub as we knew it is no longer the place young people aspire to frequent in the same way as previous generations did .
The old days of a pub where you served at 16 no longer exist and "graduating" to your dad's pub at 18 is no longer the case .
Why ?
Social media seems to have an influence ,instant rubbish communication -I recall the good old days when people would walk 2 miles to my pub to call me a stupid ************************ - now they can do it quickly on here with no human interaction.

The price of drink - I get really fed up and dismayed at young folk queuing to pay for their drink with a plastic card rather than buying a round .A pint in Belfast is now £4.50 in city centre trendy pubs .
So, once a month they neck the vodka at home and drugs then go out to some crap club .
They do not get the chance to meet locals from 18-80 and get brought up in a sympathetic environment where they can make an ass of themselves without getting stabbed .
 

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With the demographic changes taken place in this country this is to be expected, the traditional pub scene is slowly dying in this country like its already dead in many parts of the UK.
 

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With the demographic changes taken place in this country this is to be expected, the traditional pub scene is slowly dying in this country like its already dead in many parts of the UK.
What are the demographic changes you refer to?
 

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What are the demographic changes you refer to?
People from different cultural backgrounds moving into areas who don't generally frequent bars, like muslims or eastern Europeans who prefer to drink at home and those who drink and socialise in the pubs leave the areas, so the pubs are left deserted because the old residents who used to drink in them have left the area and the new ones never go to them so the pubs have no service and end up closing down that's happened all around the cities in the UK and its starting to happen over here as well, as this country changes ever more then the once thriving pub trade goes into inevitable decline.
 

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The taxation on beer is scandalous. Recently HMG has cut and frozen the tax but over 50p tax per pint is still ridiculous and I agree it harms the social fabric of society by having the effect of reducing social interaction in public places, particularly amongst the lowest earners.
I've mentioned before, on here, a differentiation between taxes on pubs and in clubs and super pubs. That said, as I said, a difference in taxes between standard spirits, wine and beer and nonsense like those shooter spirits
 

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Totally agree with your sentiments Esk and something I bemoan myself.

The pub as we knew it is no longer the place young people aspire to frequent in the same way as previous generations did .
The old days of a pub where you served at 16 no longer exist and "graduating" to your dad's pub at 18 is no longer the case .
Why ?
Social media seems to have an influence ,instant rubbish communication -I recall the good old days when people would walk 2 miles to my pub to call me a stupid ************************ - now they can do it quickly on here with no human interaction.

The price of drink - I get really fed up and dismayed at young folk queuing to pay for their drink with a plastic card rather than buying a round .A pint in Belfast is now £4.50 in city centre trendy pubs .
So, once a month they neck the vodka at home and drugs then go out to some crap club .
They do not get the chance to meet locals from 18-80 and get brought up in a sympathetic environment where they can make an ass of themselves without getting stabbed .
This is precisely the problem. Being welcomed in to the realm of the pub, of adulthood was a wonderful step in our progression in to adulthood, where we learned that the social warmth was the point of going out, not getting feked of our napper.

I remember when we used to apologise for getting slightly drunk. Now, getting plastered is a boast
 

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People from different cultural backgrounds moving into areas who don't generally frequent bars, like muslims or eastern Europeans who prefer to drink at home and those who drink and socialise in the pubs leave the areas, so the pubs are left deserted because the old residents who used to drink in them have left the area and the new ones never go to them so the pubs have no service and end up closing down that's happened all around the cities in the UK and its starting to happen over here as well, as this country changes ever more then the once thriving pub trade goes into inevitable decline.
Most of our migrants come from a very strong pub culture and are, in my experience, the best behaved
 

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With the demographic changes taken place in this country this is to be expected, the traditional pub scene is slowly dying in this country like its already dead in many parts of the UK.
The fekers who make your kebabs, for when you're pished?

Thewy are very much part of our drinking cuture, as are the, Muslim, Bangladeshis who cook your Indian
 

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Most of our migrants come from a very strong pub culture and are, in my experience, the best behaved
No they don't pubs are closing down all over the cities in the UK because those of different cultural backgrounds don't use them, you have to go to the country to see a thriving pub culture those in the cities are practically dead, they simply arnt getting the sufficient custom to remain open.
 


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