The Credibility of Present day Media and Academia

shiel

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Listening to the pontificating and sermonising on radio and tv programmes and reading newspapers and internet forums these days is just a turn off.

Many of the same people who are pontificating now were in media, political life and academia during the boom. They cheer led the boom time decisions which bankrupt the country and scoffed at anyone who raised questions.

The following are an example of quotes from the pre 2002 election budget coverage.

'Every day and in every way things are getting better and better'

'There is virtually no downside'

'Spending has risen 79% since 1997'

'Best and most responsible of budgets. Minister passed with flying colours'.

Given those sentiments expressed when decisions were being made which bankrupt the country has the present day media and academia any credibility in criticising the consequences of their own propaganda?

The above was a thread I tried to start in Jan 2016 but it was zooed.

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Given all that has happened since January with the country being virtually ungovernable and the return of the one party state that we had in celtic tiger times being cheer led daily little has changed in our media from 2002.

In fact the situation has probably got worse with internet sites, that did not exist in 2002, having no problem advocating racism, fascism and totalitarianism of all kinds.

Is this still relevant?
 


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Killing two birds with one stone here:

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
 

Morgellons

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Killing two birds with one stone here:

"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun."
Who said that? Was it Jesus or Shakespeare?
 

APettigrew92

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Is this still relevant?
"Academics" have replaced the Clergy as the "nurse" of the people.

Many Academics in Irish Universities are unashamed Unionists/anti-Nationalists who see Ireland's past as gloriously imperial.

Their "input" was treated by Pravda as unassailable fact. In most societies, Academia is supposed to nurture and envigorate debate, not stifle it with absolutes.

There was a great quote from a FF source regarding FG's bungling of the garbage charges. Referring to their "claim" that "90% of people will save", it was heard from a FF lad that "whoever pays the piper chooses the tune."

FF are more than savvy with that. As long as our Academics are dependent on EU money for their exorbitant salaries, they will whistle and hum anything anti-Nationalist.

They have filled the niche left by the collapse of Church influence. They generally hold the populus in contempt.
 

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"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." - Eccles 1:9, KJV

The verse following also works: "Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us."

Touches of Nietzsche's eternal reoccurrence to it all. The merest hint of Sisyphus ...
 
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"The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." - Eccles 1:9, KJV

The verse following also works: "Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us."

Touches of Nietzsche's eternal reoccurrence to it all. The merest hint of Sisyphus ...
If it's just a hint, a dose of penicillin will stop it in its tracks. Get thee to a physician post haste.
 

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If it's just a hint, a dose of penicillin will stop it in its tracks. Get thee to a physician post haste.
1:15 is like a description of Ireland, for the pessimistic of heart ...
 

storybud1

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There simply is no investigative media in Ireland anymore, there is plenty of dirt and corruption to be uncovered, from planning, tenders, nepotism, the complete abandonment of hard media (was there ever any) is now just filled with lefty liberal smug fookers from upper class addresses that dictate the agenda.
 

gerhard dengler

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There simply is no investigative media in Ireland anymore, there is plenty of dirt and corruption to be uncovered, from planning, tenders, nepotism, the complete abandonment of hard media (was there ever any) is now just filled with lefty liberal smug fookers from upper class addresses that dictate the agenda.
I agree with the general point that you're making. Forget RTE, Irish Times and to a lesser extent the Indo.
Each are biased and agenda driven.

But there are some small pieces of good investigative journalism still.
The Sunday Business Post for example does some good reporting, but does so in niche areas (finance/economics).
Phoenix Magazine is another.

Thankfully there are some interesting blogs providing independent analysis of news and information.
FinFacts provides good analysis of media economic stories.

Academia?
 

Congalltee

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A classic Irish media story is that the foreign media is reporting on retweeted videos on f Irish fans being great after they retweeted from fan recording another friend being gas.

Outrage by Sindo about public sector.

Grief reporting.

Associated press/guardian/independent regurgitated story.
 

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Burn it all down.
 

Wagmore

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I agree with the general point that you're making. Forget RTE, Irish Times and to a lesser extent the Indo.
Each are biased and agenda driven.

But there are some small pieces of good investigative journalism still.
The Sunday Business Post for example does some good reporting, but does so in niche areas (finance/economics).
Phoenix Magazine is another.

Thankfully there are some interesting blogs providing independent analysis of news and information.
FinFacts provides good analysis of media economic stories.

Academia?
I used to be a fan of the Phoenix but it too is agenda driven with a leftist slant, editorally.Invariably, as with the case of the visit of Trump,Ibrahim what'shisname etc, it invariably finds itself on the "right-on" side of the street. Comparisons with that genuine equal opportunity giant slayer, Britain's Private Eye, fall very flat. Pity cause Phoenix has its virtues, and the country badly needs a punchy read that pours scorn equally
 
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It's been going on for thousands of years. Unfortunately there doesn’t see to be a limit to human stupidity.
 

OrderoftheDragon

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Infested with liberal windbags and newstalk is just as bad as rte and the irish times.
 

storybud1

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Infested with liberal windbags and newstalk is just as bad as rte and the irish times.
Apart from Hook who is just not afraid to say what most are thinking it is the most awful radio in Ireland, sure everytime they have a discussion they will bring on a few of the liberals (no alternative view is allowed) and treat them like pals while smugly passing disparaging remarks against those not in the group think gang.

I tune in a little to Hook as guest Michael Graham is the only guy to expose Higgins as a little fooking cry/bully and show us his real colours, the rest you could pick up in the Trininty Student Union canteen.

It is like these clowns do their plagiarising (it certainly ain't journalism) from the Guardian and NY Times instead of spending times in the areas they are sh1tehawking about from their ivory tower expensive homes.

Imagine an Irish journalist,, gets up in the morning in the leafy burb after spending the previous evening with his Alma Matter from Trinity or UCD in a nice restaurant etc, gets to work in a nice office, checks the Guardian/Ny Times etc again (read the first edition over breakfast) thinks of nothing but how a wonderful diverse, inclusive world will be achieved, thinks up a load of boll1x and writes it down (lots of oppression, race cards, etc) goes home to his/her ultra white area expensive home and calls that fooking work ?

A real journo would go to say Calais, get onboard the LE Rosin, go to Brussels and look at the gravy train circus, visit inner city Dublin at nighttime and talk to people there, go to the prisons and interview career crims, visit their victims, make solid contacts with experienced people in all the important frontline services off the record, Guards, Paramedics, Social Welfare, Parole workers, collate real facts on their own time, not the spin fed to them.

The Irish media is reduced to liberal bloggers that could not exist without three phrases,

Human Rights
Oppression of Human/Women's Rights ( Islam excepted , of course)
Right Wing conservatives, racists, etc,

Yet to see any clown journalist slag off Geldof, O Gorman, Higgins, etc, you don't want to meet your heroes,, it seems the Irish media clowns are putting that day off and they know it.
 

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Few things are less rewarding than the Irish capacity, for a variety of reasons - some psychiatric, many squalid - to See No Evil, even while Irish society remains a peculiarly corrupt, bullying ‘fix’.

This capacity is institutionalized in its ‘media’.

Alternatively, things everywhere are a corrupt fix, but the Irish talk more plus talk more as if this weren't so, making listening in peculiarly unrewarding.
 

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When are we organizing the 40ft. container of Chinese weapons?

I bags an RPG-7 because I am tanshehoke and my sh1t-list is very general.
 
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Too many columnists flogging their own agendas, too few quality journalists.
 


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