The curious tale of the FactCheck change at thejournal.ie

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So, in 2016 thejournal.ie factchecked a pro life leaflet. There were 19 claims factchecked.
http://www.thejournal.ie/yes-to-life-life-institute-8th-amendment-abortion-leaflet-facts-3058066-Nov2016/

Including the 1 in 5 fact re: abortions in the UK.

Today they ran a story where they factchecked this (again) with a verdict as "unproven".
http://www.thejournal.ie/save-the-8th-poster-statistic-abortion-3951738-Apr2018/

This wasn't the case in 2016. Looking at the piece from 2016 it seems the result from then has also been changed to "unproven".

The factchecker changing their factcheck.

For the record, from their 2016 piece :

"In 2015, there were 697,852 live births in England and Wales, 3,147 still births, and 191,014 abortions.

This means there were 892,013 pregnancies in total, 21.4% of which ended in abortion.

In Scotland, there were 55,098 live births, 211 still births, and 12,082 abortions (pg 6). So out of a total of 67,391 pregnancies, 17.9% ended in abortion.

In Great Britain as a whole (England, Wales and Scotland), there were 203,096 abortions out of 959,404 pregnancies – a rate of 21.1%".

They've added a piece now relating to miscarriages. Which internationally are not figured in to abortion ratio.
 


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* These verdicts have been updated from Mostly TRUE to UNPROVEN to take into account that it was not originally noted in this factcheck that miscarriages had not been counted in the calculations for these three countries.
 

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* These verdicts have been updated from Mostly TRUE to UNPROVEN to take into account that it was not originally noted in this factcheck that miscarriages had not been counted in the calculations for these three countries.
I didn't check the substantive issue, however if you correct an article, you should put a correction note in it/at end

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As far as I can see - their 'factchecks' never come to any conclusion
one way or another!!!:lol:

No matter how hard they try to smear anything that doesn't suit their
liberal media agenda......
 

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"Sifting for truth, so you don't have to"

That has a very sinister undertone to me. Almost as if to say, there's no need to think, research or investigate anything for yourself, you can trust us to do it for you.

Anyone who holds themselves as an arbiter of truth is dangerous to begin with, since every person with integrity knows they're not right all the time.
 

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I didn't check the substantive issue, however if you correct an article, you should put a correction note in it/at end

Cyp
they did
* These verdicts have been updated from Mostly TRUE to UNPROVEN to take into account that it was not originally noted in this factcheck that miscarriages had not been counted in the calculations for these three countries.
though it could very much be clearer and within that section
 

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So, in 2016 thejournal.ie factchecked a pro life leaflet. There were 19 claims factchecked.
FactCheck: Does this pro-life leaflet stand up to scrutiny?

Including the 1 in 5 fact re: abortions in the UK.

Today they ran a story where they factchecked this (again) with a verdict as "unproven".
FactCheck: Are 1 in 5 babies in England aborted? · TheJournal.ie

This wasn't the case in 2016. Looking at the piece from 2016 it seems the result from then has also been changed to "unproven".

The factchecker changing their factcheck.

For the record, from their 2016 piece :

"In 2015, there were 697,852 live births in England and Wales, 3,147 still births, and 191,014 abortions.

This means there were 892,013 pregnancies in total, 21.4% of which ended in abortion.

In Scotland, there were 55,098 live births, 211 still births, and 12,082 abortions (pg 6). So out of a total of 67,391 pregnancies, 17.9% ended in abortion.

In Great Britain as a whole (England, Wales and Scotland), there were 203,096 abortions out of 959,404 pregnancies – a rate of 21.1%".

They've added a piece now relating to miscarriages. Which internationally are not figured in to abortion ratio.
Bottom of the article states:
* These verdicts have been updated from Mostly TRUE to UNPROVEN to take into account that it was not originally noted in this factcheck that miscarriages had not been counted in the calculations for these three countries.
You pro life lot are paranoid AF and have a victim complex to match.
 

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Would love to see stats for other countries like France and Germany. Back when we voted on divorce we were warned about UK rates - but divorce is still rare in Ireland even 20 years later.

I doubt Irish abortion rates will ever come close to the UK numbers.
 

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* These verdicts have been updated from Mostly TRUE to UNPROVEN to take into account that it was not originally noted in this factcheck that miscarriages had not been counted in the calculations for these three countries.
Because internationally it's not counted. It's not relevant.

Who are you or anyone else kidding ...
 

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Would love to see stats for other countries like France and Germany. Back when we voted on divorce we were warned about UK rates - but divorce is still rare in Ireland even 20 years later.

I doubt Irish abortion rates will ever come close to the UK numbers.
I'd expect they'd be a little higher than they are now. By that I mean the number of women from Ireland who already travel to the UK for abortions.

It would save them the trouble and risk and expense of having to do that, with the addition of allowing poorer women or those who can't travel to access it, which to be honest probably aren't that many, hence a slight increase.

However, I think the main benefit will be and end to the alphabetical litany of hard cases this country has shamefully seen into existence, and for that reason alone it's worth supporting repeal of the 8th.
 

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Would love to see stats for other countries like France and Germany. Back when we voted on divorce we were warned about UK rates - but divorce is still rare in Ireland even 20 years later.

I doubt Irish abortion rates will ever come close to the UK numbers.
Divorce in Ireland is severely limited by our current laws. France doesn't have judicial separation, we do.
 

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"The abortion ratio for a population, typically measured in a given year (but with the measurement period variable in principle) is the number of abortions for every 1000 live births in the population. In other words:

\mbox{Abortion ratio} = \frac{\mbox{Number of abortions}}{\mbox{Number of live births}} \times 1000"

https://demography.subwiki.org/wiki/Abortion_ratio
 

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Pro-life poster who literally makes up lies about judicial rulings in other countries complains about journal.ies fact checkers.

 

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So, in 2016 thejournal.ie factchecked a pro life leaflet. There were 19 claims factchecked.
FactCheck: Does this pro-life leaflet stand up to scrutiny?

Including the 1 in 5 fact re: abortions in the UK.

Today they ran a story where they factchecked this (again) with a verdict as "unproven".
FactCheck: Are 1 in 5 babies in England aborted? · TheJournal.ie

This wasn't the case in 2016. Looking at the piece from 2016 it seems the result from then has also been changed to "unproven".

The factchecker changing their factcheck.

For the record, from their 2016 piece :

"In 2015, there were 697,852 live births in England and Wales, 3,147 still births, and 191,014 abortions.

This means there were 892,013 pregnancies in total, 21.4% of which ended in abortion.

In Scotland, there were 55,098 live births, 211 still births, and 12,082 abortions (pg 6). So out of a total of 67,391 pregnancies, 17.9% ended in abortion.

In Great Britain as a whole (England, Wales and Scotland), there were 203,096 abortions out of 959,404 pregnancies – a rate of 21.1%".

They've added a piece now relating to miscarriages. Which internationally are not figured in to abortion ratio.
Why was it altered to take account of something that's not relevant to best practice?
 

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