The current state of Politics.ie

Marvar88

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Hi all,

I have been off this site for a number of years. I dropped in last week to have a look at what people were saying in the lead up to the referendum. I was quite taken aback at what i saw.

Of course Politics.ie is never going to be fully representative of the general population and while the mainstream views were often outnumbered by the not so mainstream views, there was still a good mix.

I always felt FF were under represented on here but then i joined at a time when they were in freefall. FG had a solid representation, Labour like FF, never had much of a following here either. SF, I often felt were over represented but now it seems, it's on par with what you would expect. The hard left still have a large cohort but the big difference I see now compared to when I used to post regularly, is that the hard right and the cranks/angry peeps has risen considerably.

It was amazing reading the forums last week and viewing the online poll about the referendum. It seemed that Politics.ie has slipped well away from its early years. I commented on the posts that I foresaw a comfortable victory for the YES side. I am not some great oracle, but as a man born and reared on a farm in the country and who now spends much of his time in the big smoke, with groups of friends in both areas, it seemed very wide of the mark of what everyone was saying.

To a wider point, the Irish media was a little off the point as well, using headlines like 'nobody saw this coming'. It made me think that hardcore politicos in Ireland have put too much stock in Ireland's past and haven't paid enough attention to the country they live in presently, but that's a broader point.

I do think there is a place for a Politics.ie. Politicos need a place to come and debate with people from all sides of the spectrum. The relative privacy you get here is in sharp contrast to Social Media debates. I just found it strange that someone like me (an economic centrist and social liberal) is in such a small minority on here.

What do you guys think?
 


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I suspect it is a case of people who can't speak as they do here n pubs, shops and at family gatherings. Here and on another political forum launched in the last few years you'll find an amazing orchestra of the damned when measured against modern mores.

It is one of the few places left where they can give vent to their fears, racism, social reactionary whinges etc.

It is a bit of a zoo in fact.
 

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Hi all,

I have been off this site for a number of years. I dropped in last week to have a look at what people were saying in the lead up to the referendum. I was quite taken aback at what i saw.

Of course Politics.ie is never going to be fully representative of the general population and while the mainstream views were often outnumbered by the not so mainstream views, there was still a good mix.

I always felt FF were under represented on here but then i joined at a time when they were in freefall.
That's the bit at which I stopped to scratch my head.
 

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Unfortunately we are left with the dregs of FF supporters.

I think Poor Sewer Poo is the only poster that admits he supports the clowns.
Even Tonic is gone.

Recently as well many of the "Independent" SF IRA posters have been stood down.

We are left with a rag ball collection.

The right, mainly FG have a good few decent posters left. Erudite, Marcos, Flav, Harsh Buzz, Taxi Driver, Samson, Myers, etc...

Then we have the doomsters who God only knows who they support.
 

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Technical errors.

Mercurial as a reminder of the intolerance of the SJW parasites who enjoy institutional privelege. And indeed their hypocrisy.

Statsman to stand up for statism, and controlling other people's income, while he lives off a state pension.

Sync as police officer who is enforcing control, in a dishonest manner.

Cruimh representing an embittered Orangism on a thread in a "foreign" jurisdiction.

Numerous provisional cult advocates, who are clueless as to how transparent their nastiness is to rest of us. They all push for the 32 county socialist republican hellhole project, as their "heaven on earth".

Other political hacks, pushing their party's line.

And a variable range of opinions that provide endless criticism of the above.
 

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Does anyone know if what shaving gel soothes more effectively for those south-of-the-border shaves?
 

InsideImDancing

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Technical errors.

Mercurial as a reminder of the intolerance of the SJW parasites who enjoy institutional privelege. And indeed their hypocrisy.

Statsman to stand up for statism, and controlling other people's income, while he lives off a state pension.

Sync as police officer who is enforcing control, in a dishonest manner.

Cruimh representing an embittered Orangism on a thread in a "foreign" jurisdiction.

Numerous provisional cult advocates, who are clueless as to how transparent their nastiness is to rest of us. They all push for the 32 county socialist republican hellhole project, as their "heaven on earth".

Other political hacks, pushing their party's line.

And a variable range of opinions that provide endless criticism of the above.
All your posts are nasty.
 

Dame_Enda

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I think regular posters are a little bit more conservative (or at least anti Establishment) here than on say boards.ie. I think the reason might be because conservative views are not really tolerated on a lot of forums, so we come here. Im not a social conservative (quite the opposite - I even support regulating prostitution like NZ) but I am a little bit reactionary and suspicious of change (except secular change which I love) and like to deliberate on radical changes rather than just jumping on the bandwagon. There are also a lot of Eurosceptics on the forum because again some websites are intolerant of the substantial body of Irish public opinion that is of that perspective.

What I love most about p.ie is its liberal moderation, especially compared to boards.ie and other forums.
 
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Technical errors.

Mercurial as a reminder of the intolerance of the SJW parasites who enjoy institutional privelege. And indeed their hypocrisy.

Statsman to stand up for statism, and controlling other people's income, while he lives off a state pension.

Sync as police officer who is enforcing control, in a dishonest manner.

Cruimh representing an embittered Orangism on a thread in a "foreign" jurisdiction.

Numerous provisional cult advocates, who are clueless as to how transparent their nastiness is to rest of us. They all push for the 32 county socialist republican hellhole project, as their "heaven on earth".

Other political hacks, pushing their party's line.

And a variable range of opinions that provide endless criticism of the above.
I'm devastated I'm not mentioned!
 

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Hi all,

I have been off this site for a number of years. I dropped in last week to have a look at what people were saying in the lead up to the referendum. I was quite taken aback at what i saw.

Of course Politics.ie is never going to be fully representative of the general population and while the mainstream views were often outnumbered by the not so mainstream views, there was still a good mix.

I always felt FF were under represented on here but then i joined at a time when they were in freefall. FG had a solid representation, Labour like FF, never had much of a following here either. SF, I often felt were over represented but now it seems, it's on par with what you would expect. The hard left still have a large cohort but the big difference I see now compared to when I used to post regularly, is that the hard right and the cranks/angry peeps has risen considerably.

It was amazing reading the forums last week and viewing the online poll about the referendum. It seemed that Politics.ie has slipped well away from its early years. I commented on the posts that I foresaw a comfortable victory for the YES side. I am not some great oracle, but as a man born and reared on a farm in the country and who now spends much of his time in the big smoke, with groups of friends in both areas, it seemed very wide of the mark of what everyone was saying.

To a wider point, the Irish media was a little off the point as well, using headlines like 'nobody saw this coming'. It made me think that hardcore politicos in Ireland have put too much stock in Ireland's past and haven't paid enough attention to the country they live in presently, but that's a broader point.

I do think there is a place for a Politics.ie. Politicos need a place to come and debate with people from all sides of the spectrum. The relative privacy you get here is in sharp contrast to Social Media debates. I just found it strange that someone like me (an economic centrist and social liberal) is in such a small minority on here.

What do you guys think?
It's a cess pit. Stormfrontlite for Irish culture warriors. Irrelevant for the most part.
 

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That's the bit at which I stopped to scratch my head.
As in, when I joined this site (December 2010). The point I was making is that FF were in meltdown then and I assumed that people were less willing to come out and bat for them.
 

Marvar88

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I think regular posters are a little bit more conservative (or at least anti Establishment) here than on say boards.ie. I think the reason might be because conservative views are not really tolerated on a lot of forums, so we come here. Im not a social conservative (quite the opposite - I even support regulating prostitution like NZ) but I am a little bit reactionary and suspicious of change (except secular change which I love) and like to deliberate on radical changes rather than just jumping on the bandwagon. There are also a lot of Eurosceptics on the forum because again some websites are intolerant of the substantial body of Irish public opinion that is off that perspective.

What I love most about p.ie is its liberal moderation, especially compared to boards.ie and other forums.
Again, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but I just cannot agree with that statement that there is a substantial number of the electorate with that view. Again, this crank view is hugely over represented on here.
 

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Again, you are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but I just cannot agree with that statement that there is a substantial number of the electorate with that view. Again, this crank view is hugely over represented on here.
Well I dont mean support for leaving the EU (that is indeed a very small percentage and Im not one of them). But the percentage who vote no in EU referendums is substantial historically since 1987 at 30-53% of those voting.
 

Marvar88

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Well I dont mean support for leaving the EU (that is indeed a very small percentage and Im not one of them). But the percentage who vote no in EU referendums is substantial historically since 1987 at 30-53% of those voting.
OK point taken. But my take on those referendums is that most people had little or no interest in the tinkering with the mechanics of EU governance structures and instead used to vote in accordance with how pissed off they were with the government at that present time. Plus the second Lisbon referendum (2009) seems like a long time ago now.
 

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The hard left still have a large cohort but the big difference I see now compared to when I used to post regularly, is that the hard right and the cranks/angry peeps has risen considerably.
Escapists, fantasists, sad cases and beneficiaries of the old order. If I was an admin there'd be a cull.
 


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