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The cynical reporting of a politicians death...


rockofcashel

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I've stayed away from the RIP thread, from the bye election thread, and from the thread discussing whether or not politicians are subject to too much abuse on the internet/social media...

I have however been getting more and more annoyed with the reporting of the death of Shane Mc Entee and how it seems to be being directed in a particular direction, which to me sounds like it suits the particular agenda of certain sections of the political establishment (i.e. to deflect from certain issues which are weighing heavily upon themselves at the moment), and the established mainstream media (to characterise the online commentating community as foaming at the mouth nutcases, who shouldn't be read by any right minded person)...

I then came across a blog this evening, which more or less represents my view of the how things have been spun in the past few days.. and it's thrown up some very honest questions as far as I am concerned..

Questions such as...

If Deputy Mc Entee was being attacked by anonymous persons on the internet, why wasn't a colleague of his admonished for calling his suggestions "moronic" last Summer

Minister's words 'moronic' - FG TD - The Irish Times - Fri, Jun 22, 2012

Why has their been no mention of Senator Thomas Byrne of Fianna Fail describing Mc Entees comments on the respite care cut as "callous and crass on Facebook"...

Byrne calls on McEntee to clarify callous comments | Fianna Fáil

If Deputy Mc Entee was under pressure over Budget cuts, was any of this pressure applied upon him by FG whips to support the Budget ?

Who was the un named FG source who claimed in the national media that "“Parts of social media give a voice to nutcases who are full of anger and spit out vitriol.

“There is no filter – they give a platform to these people when often it’s just bile.”

And did they get the irony of an "un named" source complaining about anonymous internet contributors..

Here's a very well wriiten piece that's worth the read...

The Cynical Reporting of a Politician’s Death « It's a Political World
 


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Happy Christmas to you RoC. Frankly, I've had enough of all this until the New Year. There's a glass of sherry with my name on it downstairs.
Many happy returns.. I can't indulge.. I'm off to play Santa in about 2 hours
 

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Who was the un named FG source who claimed in the national media that "“Parts of social media give a voice to nutcases who are full of anger and spit out vitriol.

“There is no filter – they give a platform to these people when often it’s just bile.”
Do you agree with what the unnamed source said, Rock? Simple Yes or No.
 

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Do you agree with what the unnamed source said, Rock? Simple Yes or No.
1. I don't know what they said.. and neither do you Hiding in fairness.. you are putting forward a number of the more vitriolic ones, which of course I don't agree with.. ?

2. Do you not see a certain level of hypocrisy of an "un named FG source" complaining about "anonymous Facebook/Twitter/P.ie posters" ?

3. Are there any parts of the piece which you do agree with ?
 

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roc you are so correct in your musings, my compliments, also a happy christmas to you and yours.
 

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I picked up on that piece via twitter this morning. Good summary.

The wider issue here is this. Where can voters voice dissent and is there validity in doing this anonymously?

Are we to be reduced to the letters pages in the papers? Fine, and a well worn path by yours truly, but it is not scale-able. I would hate to see a "chill effect" on the impact or credibility of fora such as these.

I joined FG because I wanted to have a voice, I am very disillusioned by what the party has done and who still dominates FG. so that has gone too.

and what about voicing dissent anonymously? I think this has merit and precedence.

The "Draiper" column was anonymous, as is much of the Phoenix magazine. Furthermore, there are subjects here which I have raised or commented on, which I would not want to have my name attached to. Not out of cowardice, but because it would be VERY clear who I was talking about, either in a sympathetic or critical way.

And then there is the chill effect of being openly in a party, or opposed to certain govt policies.

Using one appalling thread here to "mute / render beyond the pale" the comments emanating from this site would be a huge win for the political class.

Lets all behave in a manner that it is very hard for them to discredit the site. We are all stakeholders here
 

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roc you are so correct in your musings, my compliments, also a happy christmas to you and yours.
 

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1. I don't know what they said.. and neither do you Hiding in fairness.. you are putting forward a number of the more vitriolic ones, which of course I don't agree with.. ?
Alright then, do you agree with what the unnamed source is quoted as having said?

2. Do you not see a certain level of hypocrisy of an "un named FG source" complaining about "anonymous Facebook/Twitter/P.ie posters" ?
No. Because the unnamed source wasn't complaining about people posting anonymously on social media, he was complaining about them using their anonymity to post "vicious bile" which as we know included death threats and hopes that the person in question would commit suicide. I'd have thought that was fairly obvious.

3. Are there any parts of the piece which you do agree with ?
I didn't read it. I read your post.
 

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Do you agree with what the unnamed source said, Rock? Simple Yes or No.
DO you not feel that anger, hate and vitriol are sometimes what is needed.

Intemperate language and later regretted comments are a fact of life. Here, you can be boxed into a corner and may lack the grace or eloquence to dilute your comments.

I have learnt to be a lot more tolerant of others and respectful on this site. Not everyone holds my world view.

Visceral reactions are very interesting. Why did people hate certain comments or politicians so much?
 

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I picked up on that piece via twitter this morning. Good summary.

The wider issue here is this. Where can voters voice dissent and is there validity in doing this anonymously?

Are we to be reduced to the letters pages in the papers? Fine, and a well worn path by yours truly, but it is not scale-able. I would hate to see a "chill effect" on the impact or credibility of fora such as these.

I joined FG because I wanted to have a voice, I am very disillusioned by what the party has done and who still dominates FG. so that has gone too.

and what about voicing dissent anonymously? I think this has merit and precedence.

The "Draiper" column was anonymous, as is much of the Phoenix magazine. Furthermore, there are subjects here which I have raised or commented on, which I would not want to have my name attached to. Not out of cowardice, but because it would be VERY clear who I was talking about, either in a sympathetic or critical way.

And then there is the chill effect of being openly in a party, or opposed to certain govt policies.

Using one appalling thread here to "mute / render beyond the pale" the comments emanating from this site would be a huge win for the political class.

Lets all behave in a manner that it is very hard for them to discredit the site. We are all stakeholders here
But nobody - NOBODY - either within or outside the so-called political establishment, has suggested, said, hinted or implied that the public don't have the right to dissent.
 

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Alright then, do you agree with what the unnamed source is quoted as having said?



No. Because the unnamed source wasn't complaining about people posting anonymously on social media, he was complaining about them using their anonymity to post "vicious bile" which as we know included death threats and hopes that the person in question would commit suicide. I'd have thought that was fairly obvious.



I didn't read it. I read your post.
Then I suggest you read the piece... please
 

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Many happy returns.. I can't indulge.. I'm off to play Santa in about 2 hours
I thought the whole point of Santa was that he got to go on the p*ss in about a billion houses in 24 hours, and couldn't get stopped because he could just fly over checkpoints.
 

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But nobody - NOBODY - either within or outside the so-called political establishment, has suggested, said, hinted or implied that the public don't have the right to dissent.
But they want dissent.. on their terms.. which they can control

Sorry, hiding, but the genie is well and truly out of the bottle on that one
 

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are people here surprised that the blueshirt fascist gene is coming thru more and more?!

if anything the general arrogance of the likes of Varadkar, Shatter and Creighton is astounding

were was the calls to censor social media when that school girl in Donegal took her own life from our esteemed politicians?
 
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Agree with you entirely...have stayed away from the beforementioned threads like yourself.

Similar to when St Lenihan died I will hold my views for now as I do subscribe to the view that there is a proper time and place for such discussion, which is not right now.


On the related issues you raise ROC you are spot on. It's absolutely disgusting and pathetic listening to self serving bildeberger vultures like Bruton On the airwaves over the last few days decrying foul over people's comments, or rather those types of comments unsuitable for the ears of the establishment.






Let them try to use this incident to vainly attempt to limit free speech...as it will be wondrous watching them go round in circles removing any doubt that these people are delusional pompous idiots who hark back to times where people could be cowed and conditioned to read to the establishment agenda. Good luck with that....
 

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RoC, Happy Christmas to you and yours.

In regards to the OP I agree 100%. There is a blatant attempt at controlling the media and what is being reported and how it is being reported. There should be warning bells going off for loads of people.
 

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But nobody - NOBODY - either within or outside the so-called political establishment, has suggested, said, hinted or implied that the public don't have the right to dissent.
Of course not, that is not how any establishment organisation would deal with social media and the lack of ability to influence same.

just say, "well it is full of vitriol / bile / hate, and utterly unfiltered, you really cannot take it seriously as a forum for reasoned, intelligent debate. And, sure, it is full of a certain sort of individual.

Just discredit the few open, un-moderated forums and you can ignore it. Make moderates scared / ashamed of participation in such a forum. The chill effect.

And we all go back to doing what indo hacks or IT hacks tell us to think. Because "no-one on Politics.ie could possibly be worth listening to"
 

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are people here surprised that the blueshirt fascist gene is coming thru more and more?!
Some of us "blueshirts" are very miffed at the party. I've been around in FG longer than Leo or Lucinda, and longer than many the new backbencher as well...

They need to be put in their box. Not sure how though..
 

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RoC thepoints you make are on the online abuse of TDthreads
I agree.

Minister mcEntee's brother referred to sms messages and messages to his weebsite.

P.ie never mentioned him. I'd never heard of him.

Though it appears Brutal has it infor online media. He's wrong to be using this tragedy in this way especially at this time
 

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