The Economist Slams Irish Health Service



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Presumably, these bodies on trolleys were in the basement, remote from patients and the public?
 

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No evidence, then why the rush to put in refrigeration trailer, and fast track of the planning for a new mortuary Leo?

Lazy journos wont question this.
 

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No evidence, then why the rush to put in refrigeration trailer, and fast track of the planning for a new mortuary Leo?

Lazy journos wont question this.
Of course not our media are entirely subservient. Doffing the cap to politicians, civil servants and the legal and medical profession is all they do.


Worst health service in western europe, pay rises all round. Thanks big man
 

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Hospital group member says HSE tried to delay release of report on under reporting of delayed-discharges - one of the biggest factors in hospital overcrowding.

 

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We should examine the concept of an EU health service, that would redirect resources and staff to countries experiencing chronic hospital overcrowding and staff shortages.
 

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The HSE has just announced it is suspending home help packages for new applicants, of which there are 6000. This foolish decision will just add to hospital overcrowding.

Mary Lou asked Leo a question on this in the Dail yesterday. He said that home help spending had doubled to €446 million this year, but that it hadn't caused savings up the line.

A critic of Leo's policy on The Late Debate last night made the point that the reason for this is that the population is aging and that the money was being "eaten up by demographics". He also said that the failure to provide these supports will adds to pressure on casualty departments.

Ruth Coppinger TD said that they idea that you cancel something because there's been a 50% increase in something but it doesn't help the waiting lists is "just incredible".

Stephen Donnelly TD explained what happened as follows: The home helpers got better conditions, but the HSE kept the funding of home care unchanged. He calls this "bad management".

The contrast with the govts blaise attitude to the billions of overspending on the National Children's Hospital is noted.
 
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Good point by Dr Crown on The Tonight Show just now on how we are the western worlds biggest per capita importers and exporters of medical staff.
 

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The Irish Independent yesterday reported the govt is looking to shut down around 45 nursing homes. You can be sure this will further contribute to overcrowding in public hospitals.

The reason given is failure of the homes to meet standards. But surely closure is not the answer if the cost is going to be even more overcrowding in hospitals.
 

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We should examine the concept of an EU health service, that would redirect resources and staff to countries experiencing chronic hospital overcrowding and staff shortages.
Its the only possibility of a proper health service here given our politicians have given up taking on the vested interest groups. One advantage of Brexit will hopefully be it might hasten this development. We wont be having part time consultants double jobbing in the private sector if it happens so no doubt they would fight it tooth and nail.
 

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We should examine the concept of an EU health service, that would redirect resources and staff to countries experiencing chronic hospital overcrowding and staff shortages.
What would prevent member states from gaming that?
 

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Thejournal reporting that applicants promised jobs in the health service have been waiting in some cases since January to transition to them because of a HSE recruitment freeze. This is happening when 21% of consultant positions are vacant and we have net emigration of doctors of 500 per annum, in spite of the govt bringing in agency workers from abroad.
 
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Thejournal reporting that applicants promised jobs in the health service have been waiting in some cases since January to transition to them because of a HSE recruitment freeze. This is happening when 21% of consultant positions are vacant and we have net emigration of doctors of 500 per annum, in spite of the govt bringing in agency workers from abroad.
Yes and the Consultants solution is to pay them more money!! May as well burn it.
 

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Yes and the Consultants solution is to pay them more money!! May as well burn it.
Well we are losing 500 doctors per annum in emigration. If you don't up their pay they will keep moving to Dubai, Canada or Australia.
 

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Well we are losing 500 doctors per annum in emigration. If you don't up their pay they will keep moving to Dubai, Canada or Australia.
That's their line right enough. Being honest working conditions and training opportunities are a bigger issue. You could increase pay 30k a man and it wont make much difference. Of course people in all walks of life will travel and best of luck to them i say. Unrealistic for a small country on the periphery of europe to try and compete with the likes of the US/UK on salary.

Time to lose this childish anglocentric obsession. Far superior health services in most of western europe that dont feel the need to compete on salaries. Ultimately without systematic reform including abolishing the 2 tier system pay increases are pointless. Cant blame the doctors for looking for 1 in fairness!!
 
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The brain drain of consultants has been associated with laxer admission criteria in A+E, contributing to overcrowding as junior doctors end up deciding who gets admitted.
 

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The brain drain of consultants has been associated with laxer admission criteria in A+E, contributing to overcrowding as junior doctors end up deciding who gets admitted.
Presumably a pay rise 4 the chaps would solve that issue? ( according to the chaps)

Reality is that consultants concentrate on their private patients leaving inadequately vetted doctors to deal with public patients.

Wonder how this nonsense would go down in the private sector?

Sorry Mr Zuckerberg, i realise you pay my salary but i also have another job so that junior programmer will have to deal with that. I need another office for my other job FB will be paying for that as well as paying insurance and providing me equipment.

Why dont i just bend over?
 
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