The Establishment's marginalisment of SF has strenghtened Irish Republicanism

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I think its pretty clearcut that large elements of what can be termed the Dublin Establishment - RTE, Dennis O'Briens media empire conjoined with paritionist civil servants and FFGLab - have sought to use the tragic legacy of the Northern Conflict to restict SF's growth in the Irish Republic but has this disengenuous tactic of sanctinomious moralising made the North completetly unworkable and ruptured the GFA which is considered the standout diplomatic achievment of any Irish government and our civil service?

Looking at this from a Irish republican school of analysis there was a very strong liklihood that the North post 2006 was going to normalise to such an extent that there'd be widespread apathy among a large majority of CNR towards upsetting stability by pushing for reunification. Lets face it the majority of CNR wanted stormont to provide normalcy. Hardline republicans couldn't conceal their apoplexy at the increasing acceptance even in West Belfast and Derry of the status quo.

However, Unionists considered to view nationalist contentment with suspicion but heigtening this uneasiness was the unplatable fact they were cojoled into cooperation with SF when the entire Dublin Political Establishment made it a point of principle that they considered SF and particularly Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness to be absolute, untouchable pariahs. As SF grew in strenght RTE and Indo group were mobilised to manufacture outrage by selectivly dredging particular crimes from as far back as 45 years to whip up a mccarthyite hysteria of forboding towards SF among the southern electorate.

Northern Unionists looking on with increasing angst turned ever more insular and then baulked at entertaining any concessions to nationalists in general. The equality agenda which would have boosted the North's middle ground became the main casuality resulting in strong grassroots pressure on SF to be less concilatory in turn. Nationalism/Republicanism has again been galvanised in the North because of Unionist intransigence.

The North is unworkable, its a failed, dysfunctional entity with this opinion even cyrstallising among Alliance supporters. The GFA was designed to extend its lifeline to the 2050's. How Ironic it is that Republicans should acknowledge the assistance of the paritionist Dublin Establishment in creating the atmosphere and conditions that has begun the countdown to reunification.
 


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Bullsh1t bingo with added forboding and marginalisment. Take the loaf of bread off your head and try again.
 

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I think its pretty clearcut that large elements of what can be termed the Dublin Establishment - RTE, Dennis O'Briens media empire conjoined with paritionist civil servants and FFGLab - have sought to use the tragic legacy of the Northern Conflict to restict SF's growth in the Irish Republic but has this disengenuous tactic of sanctinomious moralising made the North completetly unworkable and ruptured the GFA which is considered the standout diplomatic achievment of any Irish government and our civil service?

Looking at this from a Irish republican school of analysis there was a very strong liklihood that the North post 2006 was going to normalise to such an extent that there'd be widespread apathy among a large majority of CNR towards upsetting stability by pushing for reunification. Lets face it the majority of CNR wanted stormont to provide normalcy. Hardline republicans couldn't conceal their apoplexy at the increasing acceptance even in West Belfast and Derry of the status quo.

However, Unionists considered to view nationalist contentment with suspicion but heigtening this uneasiness was the unplatable fact they were cojoled into cooperation with SF when the entire Dublin Political Establishment made it a point of principle that they considered SF and particularly Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness to be absolute, untouchable pariahs. As SF grew in strenght RTE and Indo group were mobilised to manufacture outrage by selectivly dredging particular crimes from as far back as 45 years to whip up a mccarthyite hysteria of forboding towards SF among the southern electorate.

Northern Unionists looking on with increasing angst turned ever more insular and then baulked at entertaining any concessions to nationalists in general. The equality agenda which would have boosted the North's middle ground became the main casuality resulting in strong grassroots pressure on SF to be less concilatory in turn. Nationalism/Republicanism has again been galvanised in the North because of Unionist intransigence.

The North is unworkable, its a failed, dysfunctional entity with this opinion even cyrstallising among Alliance supporters. The GFA was designed to extend its lifeline to the 2050's. How Ironic it is that Republicans should acknowledge the assistance of the paritionist Dublin Establishment in creating the atmosphere and conditions that has begun the countdown to reunification.
Irish republicanism is a far broader church than SF. In fact, I can;t think of a single political party in the Dail that isn't Republican, in the proper sense. I think you might mean 32-county nationalism. But then again, how many parties in the Dail oppose unification?
 

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Irish republicanism is a far broader church than SF. In fact, I can;t think of a single political party in the Dail that isn't Republican, in the proper sense. I think you might mean 32-county nationalism. But then again, how many parties in the Dail oppose unification?
SF is probably the biggest obstacle to Unionists even considering any kind of UI.
 

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Irish republicanism is a far broader church than SF. In fact, I can;t think of a single political party in the Dail that isn't Republican, in the proper sense. I think you might mean 32-county nationalism. But then again, how many parties in the Dail oppose unification?
There is a small grain of truth in the OP - and that is that certain elements of the southern media don't give tuppence for the consequences of their carnival of reaction. Quite happy to poison the well further to suit their own beliefs.
 

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There is a small grain of truth in the OP - and that is that certain elements of the southern media don't give tuppence for the consequences of their carnival of reaction. Quite happy to poison the well further to suit their own beliefs.
Is that what the OP is about - sorry, I didn't read it. If that's what the argument is, I would say that almost all modern media organisations run their own agendas. A lot of them have sod all to do with truth-seeking.
 

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Is that what the OP is about - sorry, I didn't read it. If that's what the argument is, I would say that almost all modern media organisations run their own agendas. A lot of them have sod all to do with truth-seeking.
Yes, we know this. Even state broadcasters - who are supposed to be neutral. The thing is, when things are particularly ugly - as they were last week - it doesn't take much to push some eejit into doing something even stupider.
 

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I think its pretty clearcut that large elements of what can be termed the Dublin Establishment - RTE, Dennis O'Briens media empire conjoined with paritionist civil servants and FFGLab - have sought to use the tragic legacy of the Northern Conflict to restict SF's growth in the Irish Republic but has this disengenuous tactic of sanctinomious moralising made the North completetly unworkable and ruptured the GFA which is considered the standout diplomatic achievment of any Irish government and our civil service?

Looking at this from a Irish republican school of analysis there was a very strong liklihood that the North post 2006 was going to normalise to such an extent that there'd be widespread apathy among a large majority of CNR towards upsetting stability by pushing for reunification. Lets face it the majority of CNR wanted stormont to provide normalcy. Hardline republicans couldn't conceal their apoplexy at the increasing acceptance even in West Belfast and Derry of the status quo.

However, Unionists considered to view nationalist contentment with suspicion but heigtening this uneasiness was the unplatable fact they were cojoled into cooperation with SF when the entire Dublin Political Establishment made it a point of principle that they considered SF and particularly Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness to be absolute, untouchable pariahs. As SF grew in strenght RTE and Indo group were mobilised to manufacture outrage by selectivly dredging particular crimes from as far back as 45 years to whip up a mccarthyite hysteria of forboding towards SF among the southern electorate.

Northern Unionists looking on with increasing angst turned ever more insular and then baulked at entertaining any concessions to nationalists in general. The equality agenda which would have boosted the North's middle ground became the main casuality resulting in strong grassroots pressure on SF to be less concilatory in turn. Nationalism/Republicanism has again been galvanised in the North because of Unionist intransigence.

The North is unworkable, its a failed, dysfunctional entity with this opinion even cyrstallising among Alliance supporters. The GFA was designed to extend its lifeline to the 2050's. How Ironic it is that Republicans should acknowledge the assistance of the paritionist Dublin Establishment in creating the atmosphere and conditions that has begun the countdown to reunification.
The North is unworkable because SF want it that way. The only way for the North to be workable is if Nationalists stop living in fear, of having the votes on their road counted and return to the SDLP, or form a new political movement.

The Dublin run state (should we say the East/South/&West as it is most of the island) is also unworkable. Mainly due to corruption, access to nEU empire money, and a widespread culture of inept statist authority.

Having a political wing of a military movement attached to a criminal netowrk in charge called PSF will make it all much, much, worse.

We need to go Post-Provo as soon as possible.
 

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Looking at this from a Irish republican school of analysis
"Looking at this from a Irish republican school of analysis" Start date 1997.

Definitely the best line in there.


Now if only everyone else would play the game by your rules, you'd be on the pig's back.
 

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The North is unworkable because SF want it that way. The only way for the North to be workable is if Nationalists stop living in fear, of having the votes on their road counted and return to the SDLP, or form a new political movement.

The Dublin run state (should we say the East/South/&West as it is most of the island) is also unworkable. Mainly due to corruption, access to nEU empire money, and a widespread culture of inept statist authority.


Having a political wing of a military movement attached to a criminal netowrk in charge called PSF will make it all much, much, worse.

We need to go Post-Provo as soon as possible.
The SDLP dominated nationalist politics for 25 years. Tell us all how it was so much better back then. Any unionist purporting to want to deal with the SDLP because they are "more moderate" will invariably be the same unionist who would not go near them twenty five, thirty years ago. Seriously dude, take the blinkers off.
 
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Irish republicanism is a far broader church than SF. In fact, I can;t think of a single political party in the Dail that isn't Republican, in the proper sense. I think you might mean 32-county nationalism. But then again, how many parties in the Dail oppose unification?
Of course. But one part of the spectrum of r^publicanism was ridiculing the enthuasiasm Martin McGuinness approached his duties at Stormont and this halycon period for those advocating to give the North a chance to prove governable and stable coincided with lower turnouts in areas associated with militant republicanism.
 

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A people who put teddy bears on a septic tank rather than demand the exhumation of the child bodies within it are a people ripe for being fked over, which is what we see again and again. One of the main issues in the country and for any genuine republicanism is the lack of political consciousness of the bulk of the people. Witness the nurse who last week made a grand announcement that she was emigrating because of the working conditions in the hospital - it didn't even occur to her that her responsibility politically in that situation is to fight for better conditions; nope, emigration is the footloose Irish way, skipping off on light feet like Irish dancers. Because they cannot stand solidly on the ground beneath, not feeling it belongs to them.

The southern working class have a ridiculous view of the immovability and rights of the upper middle class, they are under the cosh in a way that looks ridiculous to northern eyes.
 

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The SDLP dominated nationalist politics for 25 years. Tell us all how it was so much better back then. Any unionist purporting to want to deal with the SDLP because they are "more moderate" will invariably be the same unionist who would go near them twenty five, thirty years ago. Seriously dude, take the blinkers off.
Well, of course it was hard for the SDLP to deliver an end to violence, considering that the SDLP were not the political wing of a military movement attached to a criminal network.
 


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