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Never seen a major industrialised nation take so many hopeful punts at a strategy to extract them from a misidentified problem, by way of a blustering PM, toward an increasingly unstable looking future in the hope of finding a new being modelled mainly out of fantasy.

Other than that it is steady as she goes :) Remarkable stuff. None of us will ever face a question from an urchin 'what did you do back in the day when the Withdrawal Agreement was being kicked around in the House of Commons, o venerable provisional ancestor?'

But for people who follow politics this is just a speedball of gothic political gorgeousness. Like Gary Oldman snorting crumbled pituatary glands of the Arizona Peyote-stoat before going on a shooting spree.

If they ever film the Brexit capers (I recognise no one probably will) it is going to have to be directed by Tarantino, with music by Tom Waits
 

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The Internal Market amendment designed to place ‘parliamentary lock' on implementation of the “nevertheless” changes to Withdrawal Agreement seems to have ensured the passage of the proposed legislation.

IMO, from an EU perspective, this amendment actually puts the negotiations between EU and Britain into an even more precarious position. With the “lock” in place, Britain has arrange that in all future negotiation meetings, they will arrive into the talks with a ready primed grenade, with the safety pin removed and the firing lever held in place with a bit of sticky tape. With this move, they can, like Michael Jackson dangling his struggling nine-month-old son over a hotel balcony, threaten EU with a HoC motion for as long into the future as there are negotiations between EU and Britain. A really bad move for future EU Britain relations is my assessment.
 

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Never seen a major industrialised nation take so many hopeful punts at a strategy to extract them from a misidentified problem, by way of a blustering PM, toward an increasingly unstable looking future in the hope of finding a new being modelled mainly out of fantasy.

Other than that it is steady as she goes :) Remarkable stuff. None of us will ever face a question from an urchin 'what did you do back in the day when the Withdrawal Agreement was being kicked around in the House of Commons, o venerable provisional ancestor?'

But for people who follow politics this is just a speedball of gothic political gorgeousness. Like Gary Oldman snorting crumbled pituatary glands of the Arizona Peyote-stoat before going on a shooting spree.

If they ever film the Brexit capers (I recognise no one probably will) it is going to have to be directed by Tarantino, with music by Tom Waits
poetry...
 

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The Internal Market amendment designed to place ‘parliamentary lock' on implementation of the “nevertheless” changes to Withdrawal Agreement seems to have ensured the passage of the proposed legislation.

IMO, from an EU perspective, this amendment actually puts the negotiations between EU and Britain into an even more precarious position. With the “lock” in place, Britain has arrange that in all future negotiation meetings, they will arrive into the talks with a ready primed grenade, with the safety pin removed and the firing lever held in place with a bit of sticky tape. With this move, they can, like Michael Jackson dangling his struggling nine-month-old son over a hotel balcony, threaten EU with a HoC motion for as long into the future as there are negotiations between EU and Britain. A really bad move for future EU Britain relations is my assessment.
The problem for Britain is that if they set off the grenade it is Britain itself that will get hurt the most.

Those nearest in proximity will also get shrapnel - but the deep wounds for the British state will be exceptionally severe and will almost certainly signal the end of the UK state as it is now and the end of the union with the North.
 

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The Internal Market amendment designed to place ‘parliamentary lock' on implementation of the “nevertheless” changes to Withdrawal Agreement seems to have ensured the passage of the proposed legislation.

IMO, from an EU perspective, this amendment actually puts the negotiations between EU and Britain into an even more precarious position. With the “lock” in place, Britain has arrange that in all future negotiation meetings, they will arrive into the talks with a ready primed grenade, with the safety pin removed and the firing lever held in place with a bit of sticky tape. With this move, they can, like Michael Jackson dangling his struggling nine-month-old son over a hotel balcony, threaten EU with a HoC motion for as long into the future as there are negotiations between EU and Britain. A really bad move for future EU Britain relations is my assessment.
Yes -it is a bad move but many in the EU will be tempted to continue negotiations despite this when there is only one appropriate response-walk out. Perhaps there is merit in playing the game for the optics afterwards, while preparing in as far as possible for a no-deal but that is to go down the road of being slightly dishonest and leaves you open to compromise at the last minute which would allow the disgraceful British tactics to be seen to have worked. On the other hand the fact that the EU is a group of twenty-seven which needs a high degree of agreement to function would more likely mean that enough members will take a dim view such that serious negotiations will end.

It's also time to give up on the British. They're almost certainly never coming back and it essentially doesn't matter what their press say about the EU. They were always going to try to pass the blame anyway, no matter how much of a stretch. These are the dying days in which internal British politics will matter in Europe. It might confer a bit of freedom on the EU to bring in more aggressive policies. For instance I feel that the lack of preparedness of the British for a no deal will mean that for the first six months of next year their exports are going to fall foul of the queues at Dover or fall foul of the new regulatory checks. The EU should designate a Commissioner and provide funding to replace British imports with goods produced in the EU. There should be teams of people liaising with European companies with this in mind.
 

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In the period after the Brexit referendum result, Boris, the ERG and co devoted all their energy and resources to systematically damaging every possible option to implement Brexit developed by EU and by PM May. Now, their British exceptionalism thesis that they could have the hardest of political borders and the softest of trade borders stands as delusional.

Having arrived at the end of their trail of empty rhetoric and resulting serious damage to the traditional Conservative party, relationships with former EU partner countries, and their global reputation for honouring their word, they now discover that they are out of road and constructive ideas for a solution for Brexit implementation. And so they turn back to where they started out. Having no PM May to criticism anymore, they blame the EU and revert to the only real policy option they know - press the demolition button again.

The foundation basis of the model of EU member state political cooperation lies within an EU emphasis on the single market and related external political borders. In recognising the unique circumstances of the only new EU – UK land border being on the island of Ireland, and the importance of upholding peace and stability, the EU developed a specific regional exception. Boris negotiated, agreed, then signed a treaty to that effect and had the treaty approved in parliament.

The reality of Boris assertion that EU has chosen to weaponise the EU land border arrangement on the island of Ireland diverts attention away from the fact that it is now clear that Boris intended all along to weaponise NI in the interest of Britain. Boris simply wants the EU specific regional exception for NI applied to the entire UK i.e. its back to having his cake and eating it. EU rejected that expectation for several years of negotiation and I cant see EU diverging from that long held position now.
 

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In the period after the Brexit referendum result, Boris, the ERG and co devoted all their energy and resources to systematically damaging every possible option to implement Brexit developed by EU and by PM May. Now, their British exceptionalism thesis that they could have the hardest of political borders and the softest of trade borders stands as delusional.

Having arrived at the end of their trail of empty rhetoric and resulting serious damage to the traditional Conservative party, relationships with former EU partner countries, and their global reputation for honouring their word, they now discover that they are out of road and constructive ideas for a solution for Brexit implementation. And so they turn back to where they started out. Having no PM May to criticism anymore, they blame the EU and revert to the only real policy option they know - press the demolition button again.

The foundation basis of the model of EU member state political cooperation lies within an EU emphasis on the single market and related external political borders. In recognising the unique circumstances of the only new EU – UK land border being on the island of Ireland, and the importance of upholding peace and stability, the EU developed a specific regional exception. Boris negotiated, agreed, then signed a treaty to that effect and had the treaty approved in parliament.

The reality of Boris assertion that EU has chosen to weaponise the EU land border arrangement on the island of Ireland diverts attention away from the fact that it is now clear that Boris intended all along to weaponise NI in the interest of Britain. Boris simply wants the EU specific regional exception for NI applied to the entire UK i.e. its back to having his cake and eating it. EU rejected that expectation for several years of negotiation and I cant see EU diverging from that long held position now.
Exactly ...

"The reality of Boris assertion that EU has chosen to weaponise the EU land border arrangement on the island of Ireland diverts attention away from the fact that it is now clear that Boris intended all along to weaponise NI in the interest of Britain. Boris simply wants the EU specific regional exception for NI applied to the entire UK i.e. its back to having his cake and eating it. EU rejected that expectation for several years of negotiation and I cant see EU diverging from that long held position now. "


but it wont work ...
 

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In the period after the Brexit referendum result, Boris, the ERG and co devoted all their energy and resources to systematically damaging every possible option to implement Brexit developed by EU and by PM May. Now, their British exceptionalism thesis that they could have the hardest of political borders and the softest of trade borders stands as delusional.

Having arrived at the end of their trail of empty rhetoric and resulting serious damage to the traditional Conservative party, relationships with former EU partner countries, and their global reputation for honouring their word, they now discover that they are out of road and constructive ideas for a solution for Brexit implementation. And so they turn back to where they started out. Having no PM May to criticism anymore, they blame the EU and revert to the only real policy option they know - press the demolition button again.

The foundation basis of the model of EU member state political cooperation lies within an EU emphasis on the single market and related external political borders. In recognising the unique circumstances of the only new EU – UK land border being on the island of Ireland, and the importance of upholding peace and stability, the EU developed a specific regional exception. Boris negotiated, agreed, then signed a treaty to that effect and had the treaty approved in parliament.

The reality of Boris assertion that EU has chosen to weaponise the EU land border arrangement on the island of Ireland diverts attention away from the fact that it is now clear that Boris intended all along to weaponise NI in the interest of Britain. Boris simply wants the EU specific regional exception for NI applied to the entire UK i.e. its back to having his cake and eating it. EU rejected that expectation for several years of negotiation and I cant see EU diverging from that long held position now.
The border was imposed a century or so ago in spite of the fact that self rule for the whole island of Ireland with the capital in Dublin had already been passed by the imperial parliament and signed into law by the monarch in 1914.

The Belfast/Good Friday Agreement, however, in 1989 left us with an open border.

Brexit in 2016 was threatening to reimpose it.

When that threat was removed by agreement last year the Brexiteers are backing out of that agreement.

How pathetic is that contempt for international agreements.

I suppose we should realise that history of tearing up agreements with the Irish has gone on for 800 years.
 

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The British Govt. is fooling nobody with these outrageous lies and reneging on an International Treaty that they already signed up to.
Rabb´s body language reveals he knows he's lying through his teeth.

Arrogance is all very well but there's always someone else who can do a one-up on you.

Cristian Ronaldo, during an interview, once said that the God of Football had put him here on earth to teach people how to play football.

Some days later Lionel Messi was asked how he felt about Ronaldo's comment, to which he replied, "I don't remember sending him."
 

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Arrogance is all very well but there's always someone else who can do a one-up on you.

Cristian Ronaldo, during an interview, once said that the God of Football had put him here on earth to teach people how to play football.

Some days later Lionel Messi was asked how he felt about Ronaldo's comment, to which he replied, "I don't remember sending him."
Brexiteer racism is not funny.
 

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The British Govt. is fooling nobody with these outrageous lies and reneging on an International Treaty that they already signed up to.
Rabb´s body language reveals he knows he's lying through his teeth.
When Pompeo was speaking he looked like a school boy caught stealing from the tuck shop ...

interestingly he also looked like he wasn’t getting his way ... even from the Trump squad
 

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When Pompeo was speaking he looked like a school boy caught stealing from the tuck shop ...

interestingly he also looked like he wasn’t getting his way ... even from the Trump squad
He's a complete fraud.

Sylvia Harmon exposed him for the fraud he is when he admitted that he had never even bothered to read the GFA - and his performance in front of the British captains of industry when expressing his surprise that Britain as an island is so dependent on ports such as Dover.

Pathetic in extremis.
 

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He's a complete fraud.

Sylvia Harmon exposed him for the fraud he is when he admitted that he had never even bothered to read the GFA - and his performance in front of the British captains of industry when expressing his surprise that Britain as an island is so dependent on ports such as Dover.

Pathetic in extremis.
Yep .. Himself, Liz Truss & Gavin Williamson are like something from deliverance .. just with elocution lessons
 

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