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The European Council at work.


Mad as Fish

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Die Spiegel recently published this rather interesting report looking behind the scenes of the latest EU Council Summit -

eu-summit-reveals-a-paralyzed-continent-a-874359.html

There are several items of note that go to confirm my general misgivings about the whole damn thing and Ireland's relevance to it in particular, here are the first three that strike me -

1. Not one mention of Ireland or Kenny. If he was in there thumping the table insisting on a better deal, or at least trying to put into place the mechanism by which a better deal could be had, then the authors are strangely silent upon it. Was the note that Merkel 'kissed a few leaders on the cheeks' the only, and rather oblique, reference to Enda, in that he was once again trying to have a bit of a snog with her?

2. Democracy was mentioned only once and that in the sense that the EU was 'a democracy' rather than democracy being something to be considered as a vital component of decision making during these rather elevated discussions. It is true that they are all elected heads of state attending but one is still left with a feeling of their remoteness. It is also quite notable that what was being discussed and who was saying what is kept hidden from those who do the electing. That's hardly democratic.

3. The people in Ireland who think that David Cameron is just the sort of strong and intelligent leader that this country requires must be sorely disappointed to learn that that this colossus amongst men prefers to play cards on his Ipad rather than help define the future of Europe.

There are many things I like about the idea of Europe as a loose grouping of states that work together but what we seem to have is just another layer of unrepresentative government that is arrogant in its assumptions and would appear to be in place merely as toy for various over inflated egos to play with. It needs 'structural reform' alright, but to an extent that the various bloated layers of bureaucracy would find highly unpalatable.
 

Eire1976

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Die Spiegel recently published this rather interesting report looking behind the scenes of the latest EU Council Summit -

eu-summit-reveals-a-paralyzed-continent-a-874359.html

There are several items of note that go to confirm my general misgivings about the whole damn thing and Ireland's relevance to it in particular, here are the first three that strike me -

1. Not one mention of Ireland or Kenny. If he was in there thumping the table insisting on a better deal, or at least trying to put into place the mechanism by which a better deal could be had, then the authors are strangely silent upon it. Was the note that Merkel 'kissed a few leaders on the cheeks' the only, and rather oblique, reference to Enda, in that he was once again trying to have a bit of a snog with her?

2. Democracy was mentioned only once and that in the sense that the EU was 'a democracy' rather than democracy being something to be considered as a vital component of decision making during these rather elevated discussions. It is true that they are all elected heads of state attending but one is still left with a feeling of their remoteness. It is also quite notable that what was being discussed and who was saying what is kept hidden from those who do the electing. That's hardly democratic.

3. The people in Ireland who think that David Cameron is just the sort of strong and intelligent leader that this country requires must be sorely disappointed to learn that that this colossus amongst men prefers to play cards on his Ipad rather than help define the future of Europe.

There are many things I like about the idea of Europe as a loose grouping of states that work together but what we seem to have is just another layer of unrepresentative government that is arrogant in its assumptions and would appear to be in place merely as toy for various over inflated egos to play with. It needs 'structural reform' alright, but to an extent that the various bloated layers of bureaucracy would find highly unpalatable.
Dave plays cards becuase he being there is just for show, he doesn't make the decisions. He just gets told what to say by those in charge of the City in London.
 

Crazy horse 6

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I wish people would stop this delusion that our leaders are asking for a deal. They are not and will not. The sooner people accept this the better.
 

Mad as Fish

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I wish people would stop this delusion that our leaders are asking for a deal. They are not and will not. The sooner people accept this the better.
I think the article is further supporting evidence of just what you are saying.
 

Mushroom

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Interesting article, thanks for posting.

Also interesting to see that all of the 6 journalists who produced it are male. That would never have happened if Vincent Browne was Die Spiegel's editor!
 

Mossy Heneberry

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Dave plays cards becuase he being there is just for show, he doesn't make the decisions. He just gets told what to say by those in charge of the City in London.
Apparently the city of London do not want the UK to leave the EU.
 

Rocky

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Apparently the city of London do not want the UK to leave the EU.
Of course they don't as they'd inevitably lose a lot of business to the continent. They don't want the financial transaction tax either, but I'd say they would prefer it over leaving the EU.
 

Glaucon

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The Irish will not protest and they will not raise their voices. They believe that being pliant in injustice will somehow produce benefits - the same attitude, of course, produced the Easter Rising.
 

Hewson

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Are we paying somebody to write speeches for Enda Kenny? Is it the same genius who plagarised an Obama speech and handed it to Kenny to rattle off in front of . . .

err, Obama?

Today, the first day of Ireland's EU Presidency, and a golden opportunity to make an impression on people at home and abroad, we were treated to some 2011 pre-election deja vu.

Ireland's Presidency would be about 'growth, stability and jobs.'

And somebody actually gets paid to write this turkey and ham.
 
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