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The EU's history as an unpopular democratic choice on the Ballot Paper

Hans Von Horn

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The EU history as an unpopular democratic choice on the Ballot Paper, and Greenland have already made history by leaving the EU.

In 1997 and 2001 Switzerland voted against its government’s wishes to join the EU.
In 1972 Norway voted against its government’s advice to join.
In 1973 Greenland voted to leave the EU, and eventually did leave.
Denmark voted down the Maastricht Treaty favoured by its government. This led to major opt outs from the Treaty including from the Euro before the Danes would consent.
In 2001 Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty. The EU had to grant opt outs from the military union and other matters.
In 2000 Denmark voted against joining the Euro, confirming its earlier vote against Maastricht. Its government still hadn’t got the message.
In 2000 Sweden voted down joining the Euro, and to this day violates the Treaty by not joining.
In 2005 France and the Netherlands voted down the European Constitution. This was rebranded as Lisbon, despite the popular dissent.
In 2008 Ireland voted against Lisbon, but was persuaded to change the view following some changes to their text.
In 2015 Greece voted against the Euro austerity policies, but subsequently gave in
In 2016 The Netherlands, against its government wishes, voted against the EU/Ukraine Agreement, which the EU has ignored.

In all cases devastating economic impacts were predicted as a consequence of a no vote.
 


Dame_Enda

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The EU history as an unpopular democratic choice on the Ballot Paper, and Greenland have already made history by leaving the EU.

In 1997 and 2001 Switzerland voted against its government’s wishes to join the EU.
In 1972 Norway voted against its government’s advice to join.
In 1973 Greenland voted to leave the EU, and eventually did leave.
Denmark voted down the Maastricht Treaty favoured by its government. This led to major opt outs from the Treaty including from the Euro before the Danes would consent.
In 2001 Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty. The EU had to grant opt outs from the military union and other matters.
In 2000 Denmark voted against joining the Euro, confirming its earlier vote against Maastricht. Its government still hadn’t got the message.
In 2000 Sweden voted down joining the Euro, and to this day violates the Treaty by not joining.
In 2005 France and the Netherlands voted down the European Constitution. This was rebranded as Lisbon, despite the popular dissent.
In 2008 Ireland voted against Lisbon, but was persuaded to change the view following some changes to their text.
In 2015 Greece voted against the Euro austerity policies, but subsequently gave in
In 2016 The Netherlands, against its government wishes, voted against the EU/Ukraine Agreement, which the EU has ignored.

In all cases devastating economic impacts were predicted as a consequence of a no vote.
Spain passed the EU Constitution and it's economy soon collapsed and still hasn't recovered
 

farnaby

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In the interest of balance, here are the successful EU referendums:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_European_Union

18 enlargement-related; 12 treaty changes, 2 other.

In all cases devastating political & social impacts (militarisation, 4th Reich, abortion, straight bananas) were predicted as a consequence of a yes vote.


1972 France – to allow enlargement
1972 Ireland – to join
1972 Denmark – to join
1974 UK referendum to stay in
1986 Denmark Single European Act
1987 Ireland Single European Act
1989 Italy referendum to give the European Parliament a popular mandate to elaborate a future European Constitution
1992 Ireland Maastricht
1992 France referendum Maastricht
1993 Denmark Maastricht including opt-outs
1994 Austria to join
1994 Finland to join
1994 Sweden to join
1994 Åland Islands to join
1998 Ireland Treaty of Amsterdam
1998 Denmark Treaty of Amsterdam
2002 Ireland Nice II
2003 Malta to join
2003 Slovenia to join
2003 Hungary to join
2003 Lithuania to join
2003 Slovakia to join
2003 Poland to join
2003 Czech Republic to join
2003 Estonia to join
2003 Latvia to join
2005 Spain European Constitution
2005 Luxembourg European Constitution
2009 Ireland Lisbon II
2012 Croatia to join
2012 Ireland European Fiscal Compact
2014 Denmark Unified Patent Court referendum
 

Hans Von Horn

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In the interest of balance, here are the successful EU referendums:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_related_to_the_European_Union

18 enlargement-related; 12 treaty changes, 2 other.

In all cases devastating political & social impacts (militarisation, 4th Reich, abortion, straight bananas) were predicted as a consequence of a yes vote.


1972 France – to allow enlargement
1972 Ireland – to join
1972 Denmark – to join
1974 UK referendum to stay in
1986 Denmark Single European Act
1987 Ireland Single European Act
1989 Italy referendum to give the European Parliament a popular mandate to elaborate a future European Constitution
1992 Ireland Maastricht
1992 France referendum Maastricht
1993 Denmark Maastricht including opt-outs
1994 Austria to join
1994 Finland to join
1994 Sweden to join
1994 Åland Islands to join
1998 Ireland Treaty of Amsterdam
1998 Denmark Treaty of Amsterdam
2002 Ireland Nice II
2003 Malta to join
2003 Slovenia to join
2003 Hungary to join
2003 Lithuania to join
2003 Slovakia to join
2003 Poland to join
2003 Czech Republic to join
2003 Estonia to join
2003 Latvia to join
2005 Spain European Constitution
2005 Luxembourg European Constitution
2009 Ireland Lisbon II
2012 Croatia to join
2012 Ireland European Fiscal Compact
2014 Denmark Unified Patent Court referendum
Do we have to let and Tom dick or Harry join?
 

Analyzer

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It turns out that David Chamelon has been rolling out porky pies....

The EU (Merkel plus the EU Commission) has decided that Erdogan's government will be able to negotiate entry to the nEU Empire within two weeks of the Brexit referendum.

This is in complete contradiction of promises by Cameron made in the BREXIt debates.

Cameron should change sides, and opt for BREXIT if he has any self respect.

Otherwise, he will end up as big a doormat as Enda Kenny.
 

Volatire

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The EU history as an unpopular democratic choice on the Ballot Paper, and Greenland have already made history by leaving the EU.

In 1997 and 2001 Switzerland voted against its government’s wishes to join the EU.
In 1972 Norway voted against its government’s advice to join.
In 1973 Greenland voted to leave the EU, and eventually did leave.
Denmark voted down the Maastricht Treaty favoured by its government. This led to major opt outs from the Treaty including from the Euro before the Danes would consent.
In 2001 Ireland voted against the Nice Treaty. The EU had to grant opt outs from the military union and other matters.
In 2000 Denmark voted against joining the Euro, confirming its earlier vote against Maastricht. Its government still hadn’t got the message.
In 2000 Sweden voted down joining the Euro, and to this day violates the Treaty by not joining.
In 2005 France and the Netherlands voted down the European Constitution. This was rebranded as Lisbon, despite the popular dissent.
In 2008 Ireland voted against Lisbon, but was persuaded to change the view following some changes to their text.
In 2015 Greece voted against the Euro austerity policies, but subsequently gave in
In 2016 The Netherlands, against its government wishes, voted against the EU/Ukraine Agreement, which the EU has ignored.

In all cases devastating economic impacts were predicted as a consequence of a no vote.
Not joining the euro was supposed to devastate the UK and the City of London.
 

Analyzer

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The Greek Prime Minister proposed a referendum on Merkel's austerity deal. And Merkel and Sarkozy were furious. How dare the Greeks ever get consulted ?

Next event, the Greek PM had to resign.

The nEU empire functions as a means to avoid democracy as much as possible, and to massage the result with BS when it cannot be avoided. And to then spend a fortune reversing the result, when it is not the "correct" decision.
 

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Spain passed the EU Constitution and it's economy soon collapsed and still hasn't recovered
Yeh, but it stopped ww3, so it did.

No it didn't :)
 

shiel

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is turkey a democracy
It is but it is not a member yet anyway. A lot of people could get very sniffy if it was to become a member.

Interesting would be an understatement for the adjustments that would have to be made if Turkey joined.
 

RasherHash

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Nanyways, the EU is definitely a turkey.
 


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