The fascination with Adolf Hitler.

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I always found claims of his 'genius' to be ridiculous - for a start, what genius would have repeated Napoleans mistake regarding the invasion of Russia for a start or tried to rewrite basic, obvious biology?

As for how he made Germany so 'great', if you do not 'suffer' from conscience, empathy or compassion you can do a hell of a lot. That and stealing the wealth of a significant minority of your own people.

Hitler isnt worth discussing except as a cautionary tale about absolute power.
 


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I always found claims of his 'genius' to be ridiculous - for a start, what genius would have repeated Napoleans mistake regarding the invasion of Russia for a start or tried to rewrite basic, obvious biology?

As for how he made Germany so 'great', if you do not 'suffer' from conscience, empathy or compassion you can do a hell of a lot. That and stealing the wealth of a significant minority of your own people.

Hitler isnt worth discussing except as a cautionary tale about absolute power.
Genius vacuums exist in the same way power vacuums do. In a nation full of economically and psychologically battered citizens, anyone who pipes up with a big idea is the next Einstein. Or Britney Spears... or whatever.

The dude was an agressive narcissist. Right place right time. Not a genius.

If he was a genius, he wouldn't have had to execute his family.
 

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I'm no expert on Napoleon & I stand corrected if there are any Napoleon students here who can say otherwise, but is the comparison with Hitler not unjust? From what I've read of Napoleon he never fronted an utterly despicable regime, bent on wiping out certain races. His wars were usually started by other Imperial powers. After defeating every army he faced he always sued for Peace & those treaties where hardly, if ever broken by him. He also improved France in many ways. He also improved the lives of Jewish citizens in France in an age of rampant anti-semitism.
They are only comparable in terms of imperialism. Napoleon was a benevolent dictator, the code Napoleon, equal rights for the Jews. However he was a dictator who presided over a police state.
 

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Some other lesser known things Adolf did to gain support.

Interesting topic. It’s difficult to see any positive side to Hitler without sounding like a Nazi apologist, considering he was responsible for the deaths of over 50 million people, AND the depravity of the Holocaust. But if we can step back from the Holocaust, and war itself, and look objectively at some of the other things he did in Germany, after he came to power, there are some undeniable facts that would suggest he did some good for Germany and the Germans (ie: Those Germans that weren’t Jewish, Homosexual, Communist, Freemasons, Disabled, etc etc. and that has to be well and clearly noted)

However before I post anything regarding this, I just want to also make it crystal clear that…
I AM NOT PROMOTING ADOLF HITLER AS A GREAT MAN, AND I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO OR POST ON STORMFRONT OR OTHER SIMILAR FORUMS. Just in case there’s anyone from the ADL or ANL reading.;)


Below are some interesting things Adolf did that IMO, made him so popular with many Germans before the war, and to some degree helps explain why so many of them saw him as a God, and consequently blindly followed him into the funeral pyre he was heaping up.

Improved Conditions for German Workers
Adolf promulgated legislation that gave workers a right to annual vacation time, up to 21 days per year. This was three times more than the next country in Europe (France) was to implement in 1936, as a copy-cat measure to soothe their own workers.
A giant vacation organization for workers was established, with the duty to provide affordable and enjoyable holidays for workers. Luxury trains, clean, well run holiday resorts in the mountains and at the seashore were built. The program included shops, hotels and convalescent homes.
Big cruise ships such as "Wilhelm Gustloff", "Robert Ley", "Cap Arkona" and others enabled German workers to take sea cruises. These "Stength Through Joy" ships were barred from British harbors because the British government did not want British workers to see what was available to German workers under National Socialism.
Before the war began more than half of all Germans had taken advantage of this program to enjoy a luxurious and easily affordable holiday.
Workers on projects far away from home had always been neglected. Now their needs were catered for. Recreation facilities were established that moved site as construction advanced. Fourteen crews provided movies and other entertainment at different camp sites throughout Germany. Materials were provided to provide comfort, recreation and education, if desired. Laborers had the right to visit their families at intervals. Laborers were given public recognition for the work they did. Labor in Germany became something respected and celebrated.

First Anti Smoking Laws
Adolf's mother died from cancer. With profits from his best-selling book "Mein Kampf", he donated 100,000 Marks to cancer research he personally commissioned at the University of Jena. Is there a link between cigarette smoking and cancer? Adolf thought so, and the research he commissioned conclusively proved it. There is a very strong link and smokers are very likely to get cancer.
The research was conducted in 1941 at the "Scientific Institute for Research into the Hazards of Tobacco", established at the Friedrich-Schiller University in Jena. This was the first such institute in the world.
With scientific proof to support his initiatives, Adolf made laws forbidding smoking in public places. He started a campaign to tell people how dangerous smoking is and tobacco use fell in Germany. This was the first official anti-smoking campaign in the world.

- Smoking was banned in the offices of the Air Force, postal services.
- Smoking was banned by uniformed police
- Restaurants and cafes were prohibited from selling cigarettes to women
- Tobacco coupons were denied to pregnant women.
- It was illegal for anyone under 18 to smoke in public
- Advertisements for tobacco products were strictly regulated

Adolf said: "Before going into retirement, I shall order that all the cigarette packets on sale in Europe should have on the label, in letters of fire, the slogan: 'Danger, tobacco smoke kills; danger: Cancer.'"
During the war tobacco rations were distributed to German soldiers. Adolf ordered that it be given in a manner that would dissuade soldiers from smoking. Smokers were given six cigarettes per man per day, but non-smokers got chocolate or extra food. Women in the Wehrmacht were not allowed to smoke at all.
The phrase "passive smoking" was coined by Fritz Lickint, author of Tabak und Organismus ("Tobacco and the Organism"). He collaborated in this book with the Nazi Anti-Tobacco League.
Because of strong Nazi support for Science and medical research, most scientists, physicians and biologists became Nazi party members.
Germans were encouraged to take exercise, eat plenty of vegetables, drink mineral water instead of alcohol and stop smoking. To reduce breast cancer, women were taught self examination. Nowhere else in the world had such a government sponsored health campaign existed up to that time.
When the Allies invaded Germany at the end of World War II, on seeing the terrible hunger and deprivations amongst the destitute public, they promptly imported 93,000 tons of tobacco to get Germans smoking again.

Cancer Prevention Strategy
Perhaps because his mother died from cancer, Adolf developed a deep interest in health related issues - particularly cancer.
Ground-breaking research on diseases was done in Germany, partly with private funding from Adolf Hitler who commissioned a study at the University of Jena to determine whether there was a link between lung cancer and smoking. Research results proved that there was such a link and this led to the first public anti-smoking campaign which was vigorously promoted by Adolf.
The first program in the world to encourage women to perform breast self-examination as an aid to detect breast cancer in its earlier stages was also launched in Germany with Adolf's active encouragement and approval. His support for reform and modernisation in the medical field was viewed by the medical profession in such a positive light that most medical practitioners joined the Nazi party.
Anomalies in a woman's menstrual cycle was also an indicator of cancer. Women were similarly encouraged to look for anomalies in their menstrual cycle to help detect cancer at an earlier stage. Much public education was done in this regard.
The public was cautioned against the dangers of radiation, mercury, cadmium and lead. Through the media and schools the German people were advised to avoid the use of artificial food colorants and preservatives in foods and drinks. Instead the use of pharmaceuticals, fertilizers and cosmetics that were based on organic or natural ingredients was encouraged. Sixty years later, most Western countries have still not equalled the high standards of this program.

First Laws regarding Cruelty to Animals
Germany was the first country in the world to promulgate laws protecting animals from uncontrolled vivisection and other cruelty. Adolf was a vegetarian because of his empathy with animals. He would eat eggs though, because egg production did not kill the hen that laid the egg. In 1934 Berlin hosted an international conference on animal protection. The motto draped over the speaker's podium stated: "Entire epochs of love will be needed to repay animals for their value and service" In 1936 the German Society for Animal Psychology was established, and in 1938 "Animal Protection" was introduced as a subject for German public schools and universities."

Things other Politicians have said about Adolf

"... Hitler is one of the greatest men. The old trust him, the young idolise him.
It is the worship of a national hero who has served his country."

- David Lloyd George,
Prime Minister and Statesman,
Great Britain.

"Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived...He had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made."
- John F. Kennedy,
President of the
United States of America

"In fifteen years that have followed this resolve, he (Hitler) has succeeded in restoring Germany to the most powerful position in Europe, and not only has he restored the position of his country, but he has even, to a very great extent, reversed the results of the Great War ... whatever else may be thought about these exploits they are certainly among the most remarkable in the whole history of the world."
- Winston Churchill,
Prime Minister and Statesman,
Great Britain.


Well there you go!
It just shows what you can do, when you're an Incestous, Drug Abusing, Paranoid, Schizophrenic, Racist Meglomaniac :lol:

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Getting back on topic, we should look at a few things regarding Herr Hitler,
For any man to go from complete unknown to become democatic leader of his Country and not even be from that Country in 12 years is quite amazing. No can disagree that is oratory skills were very powerful and if you had a politican speaking with the same such passion and conviction in this Country right now you could see him become very popular very quickly.

Hitler surrounded himself with loyal hard working individuals, Hess, Himmler, Gobbells and so on. They did most of the hard donkey work on the ground and built up a party of 7 members to millions, again quite impressive, no email or texts or podcasts in those days, or indeed a politics.ie.

What Hitler did was wrong. murdering women and children is evil, however western society is not without blood on its hands either. The Nazis lost the war (if they had not invaded Russia, we could be living in a totally different Europe) but deep down hitler was convinced the brits and themselves were really made to be good mates, and churchill turned down his advances to team up and take on stalin in 1941.

We all know that the Nazi's became popular because their country was savaged after WW1. it was broke and on its knees, The Jews were seen as profiteers and many of them were bankers and hitler spoke on behalf of the common man who wanted revenge. Sound familar??
Hitler didnt get elected due to good canvasing skills. He killed his way to the top. The Night Of The Long Knife is one such act. This is not impressive.
 

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Uppermost in my mind has always been the fear the world might produce another Hitler and is the reason any mention of the evil man always captures my attention. Actually, I am so paranoiac about Hitler and his era when watching George Lee on RTE on Tuesday night I got this nervous feeling at a Fine Gaeler presenting what was really a pointless programme. I have to ask the question, does FG still have a fascination with Nazism. This is worrying as there is a slight chance we may have FG in power on their own !
 

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Uppermost in my mind has always been the fear the world might produce another Hitler and is the reason any mention of the evil man always captures my attention. Actually, I am so paranoiac about Hitler and his era when watching George Lee on RTE on Tuesday night I got this nervous feeling at a Fine Gaeler presenting what was really a pointless programme. I have to ask the question, does FG still have a fascination with Nazism. This is worrying as there is a slight chance we may have FG in power on their own !
I agree, FG have some very fascist roots.

But as a staunch FFer, I thought you guys would have some sympathy for them. Didnt your party leader sign the book of condolences for the death of Adolf Hitler?

Why did you guys do this?
 

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I always found claims of his 'genius' to be ridiculous - for a start, what genius would have repeated Napoleans mistake regarding the invasion of Russia for a start or tried to rewrite basic, obvious biology?
The invasion of the USSR was pre-emptive. An action I think you'll find we should be thankful for. The Reds meant to take the Continent, and ultimately this Island. Would people so bellyache against Hitler when red thugs arrived here?

No, it would be a different story when they started burying Priests alive in Western Europe, as opposed to in some Slavic state. Or raping any female over the age of 9.
 

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Over 60 years after his death, Hitler still exerts a macabre influence over the world. Recent films about Hitler era include "Inglourius Basterds", The boy in the striped pyjamas, and "Valkyrie". Without doubt he was a monster, but could he have been saved? What led to his hatred and fanaticsm. We know he was gassed in ww1, and that he was jailed by the German authorities after the Munich putcsh. Did these events make him the arch war criminal? How much was the final solution his personal doing. I would guess most of it. There is no doubt though that he wanted some kind of agreement with the British empire/America.He refused to invade Britain. Had he secret communist leanings- I would say he had, but kept quiet about them. I would also guess that had he been stopped in 1936, there would have been a civil war in Germany, with maybe the Communists winning out. Finally there is no doubt in my mind also he was borderline criminally insane- you would see his type in the maximum security wing of any prison, or on death row in the US. A manic depressive maybe.
I think Hitler's greatest influence on the world was the Atomic bomb, not built by the Nazis but built by Americans on the advise of Jewish Physicists (Einstein and Tsilard) in response to the Nazi Nuclear threat. If D-day had failed, it would have been Jewish Physics that would have wiped out the Nazis, a much more fitting ending to Nazism.
 
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The invasion of the USSR was pre-emptive. An action I think you'll find we should be thankful for. The Reds meant to take the Continent, and ultimately this Island. Would people so bellyache against Hitler when red thugs arrived here?

No, it would be a different story when they started burying Priests alive in Western Europe, as opposed to in some Slavic state. Or raping any female over the age of 9.
The invasion of the U.S.S.R. was part of Hitlers sick idea of creating living space for the Reich in the east, thus wiping out most of the Slavic peoples of those lands. The Soviet Union where in no position to take the Continent. All their actions of that time suggest a defensive strategy to protect themselves for the coming Nazi onslaught.
 

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The invasion of the U.S.S.R. was part of Hitlers sick idea of creating living space for the Reich in the east, thus wiping out most of the Slavic peoples of those lands. The Soviet Union where in no position to take the Continent. All their actions of that time suggest a defensive strategy to protect themselves for the coming Nazi onslaught.

What about the Russian invasion of FInland ? Doesn't sound too defensive to me and that was two years before the Germans invaded Russia .
 
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What about the Russian invasion of FInland ? Doesn't sound too defensive to me and that was two years before the Germans invaded Russia .
From a Soviet perspective that was a defensive act to protect Leningrad from a Nazi invasion with Finnish aid.
 

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The post by Marcsignal was an eyeopener. However Hitler was only interested in Ayrans. In any multicultural state, and most states are now. That policy would be borderline racist. I think it is a pity that the Western Allies, UK, France USA did not see the Nazi threat soon enough- and did not help the anti Hitler resistance in Germany nearly enough.
 
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I think it is a pity that the Western Allies, UK, France USA did not see the Nazi threat soon enough- and did not help the anti Hitler resistance in Germany nearly enough.
I agree but the powers of 1930's were much more worried about the Soviets than the rise of Fascism in Germany. To the West's eternal shame, Hitler was seen as a great man, a modern leader standing against Communism. British Prime Ministers visited & lauded him. Members of the British monarchy also visited him. He was Time man of the year.

The British & French actions of the 1930's were disgraceful.
 

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some FGs may look with pride on their roots.....they served with the infamous Nazi Foreign Condor Legion during the Spanish Civil War....many, many civilians were murdered. Fine Gael still wont apologise for this disgraceful role in their history....its likely some in the party have this facination with Herr Hitler...
Is this true? Source, please - not the Blueshirt infantry battalion, but your statement is about the Condor Legion. The people who carpet bombed Guernica.as an 'experiment' Prove it.

I am neither FG nor FF, BTW.
 

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The invasion of the USSR was pre-emptive. An action I think you'll find we should be thankful for. The Reds meant to take the Continent, and ultimately this Island. Would people so bellyache against Hitler when red thugs arrived here?

No, it would be a different story when they started burying Priests alive in Western Europe, as opposed to in some Slavic state. Or raping any female over the age of 9.
Without carrying the torch for Josef Stalin and the disgusting conduct of the Red Army when they finally brought Nazi Germany to its knees, careful reading may uncover the fact that the ordinary USSR peasant-soldier was reacting to the barbaric way in which the Wermacht behaved during 'Barbarossa' when they murdered and raped and burned their way across Russia. The Red Army's response in East Prussia and later in Berlin are thought by historians to be a direct tit-for-tat brought on by what the Germans did. Of course, they did it because they believed the Russians to be far below their Aryan supremacy and therefore deserved this treatment. Maybe what goes around comes around. Adolf found out.

Suggested reading - Berlin: The Downfall by Antony Beevor; also Stalingrad, by the same author; and The Battle for Spain as well. Beevor is a completely independent, unbiased reporter with impeccable research and a hell of a read...
 

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One of the more striking biographies of Hitler is by John Toland:

Amazon.com: Adolf Hitler (9780613132077): John Toland: Books

He managed to interview many of the people who knew AH first-hand. As a result,
the book has a very realistic, real-time quality. I got 150 pages in, at which point
I began having nightmares about living in Germany in the 1930s. That book will
really get under your skin, if you're interested in the subject.
 

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The post by Marcsignal was an eyeopener. However Hitler was only interested in Ayrans.
No different to any other European Nation of the day then .
 

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From a Soviet perspective that was a defensive act to protect Leningrad from a Nazi invasion with Finnish aid.
Sounds like a George Bush type foreign policy decision .
 

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The invasion of the USSR was pre-emptive. An action I think you'll find we should be thankful for. The Reds meant to take the Continent, and ultimately this Island. Would people so bellyache against Hitler when red thugs arrived here?

No, it would be a different story when they started burying Priests alive in Western Europe, as opposed to in some Slavic state. Or raping any female over the age of 9.
Russia just had its ass kicked by little Finland. They knew they couldnt take on Germany. They were happy selling raw materials to Germany. They knew they wouldnt win.
When Germany broke the Russian-German peace treaty the Russians were shocked. At the same time russian raw material was being transported to Germany, the German army was on the March to Russia!

The Germans wanted Russia as part of their "lebensraum" plan.
 


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