The fascination with Adolf Hitler.

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I was wandering around Linz a few years ago and I spotted a large school. There was a plaque indicating that Wittgenstein had attended this academy but no mention of Adolf.
 


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Over 60 years after his death, Hitler still exerts a macabre influence over the world. Recent films about Hitler era include "Inglourius Basterds", The boy in the striped pyjamas, and "Valkyrie". Without doubt he was a monster, but could he have been saved? What led to his hatred and fanaticsm. We know he was gassed in ww1, and that he was jailed by the German authorities after the Munich putcsh. Did these events make him the arch war criminal? How much was the final solution his personal doing. I would guess most of it. There is no doubt though that he wanted some kind of agreement with the British empire/America.He refused to invade Britain. Had he secret communist leanings- I would say he had, but kept quiet about them. I would also guess that had he been stopped in 1936, there would have been a civil war in Germany, with maybe the Communists winning out. Finally there is no doubt in my mind also he was borderline criminally insane- you would see his type in the maximum security wing of any prison, or on death row in the US. A manic depressive maybe.


Hes a convenient bogeyman, a big bad wolf.

Its takes peoples minds off the fact America has bombed 40 countries since WW2, and 100 million died in wars in the 20th century as well as in numerous holocausts and genocides many of which were connected to western powers.


Also the holocaust, promoted as the worst crime in the history of the world, justifies the Jews need to search for a homeland and occupy Palestine.
 
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I was wandering around Linz a few years ago and I spotted a large school. There was a plaque indicating that Wittgenstein had attended this academy but no mention of Adolf.
Could you blame them?
 

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There's a similar fascination with Napoleon, Julius Caesar and Alexander the Great. It's the great man thing. These people seemed to create a new reality for themselves and the world, like little gods. It's a common human fantasy. With Hitler, of course, there is the added factor of a leader rejecting civilization and consciously moving a great nation backwards into savagery.
 

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Google Theodor Morell. Hitler used to take a daily cocktail of supplements made from a wide variety of animals.

Also, his cook in the 1940s used to add animal fat to his soups and stews. Hitler knew about this, would make a big fuss about it but would eat the food anyway.
So he was a vegetarian, why else would he make a fuss about it?
 

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A real vegetarian wouldn't eat it.

Nor would he take animal-based supplements,
we don't know if he ate it or not, I'd rather trust the word of his food taster anyway.
 

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Did he really have only one ball?
Its a myth. Promoted by the vulgar, lowest common denominator British govt.

Look the the behaviour of some of their women in the war. Their men were away fighting, they were carrying on with Yanks and selling themselves for chocolate and nylons. Its no coincidence it has such a high divorce rate, its a country built on nihilism.

You have to understand it from the fact Britain since 1694 has been a platform for world finance, its people previously serfs became industrial revolution fodder, the social problems in English towns today are a continuum of that, its empire was simply a product of that. It nihilistic s culture too a product of that.

WW2 was also an ideological war between the values of gold/finance/materialism (communism/capitalism) and blood and soil.. blut and boden. ie folkish values. Of which at that time Ireland was part of, these days Ireland is also simply a banking platform for world finance, whos interests come before the peoples.

Obviously that does not excuse his excesses, but he was no worse then Stalin, and Churchill's bombing of Dresden and the USAs nuclear strikes on civilians, show that they all did terrible things, none have a monopoly on evil.

But has as Orwell said, he who controls the past, controls the future. The WW2 good guy/bad guy narrative is an essential part of our western psychological construct.

Putin is becoming the new big bad Wolf, Hitler had his day. Russia has to be smashed. It stands against western financial hegemony and is seen as a threat.
 
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Getting back on topic, we should look at a few things regarding Herr Hitler,
For any man to go from complete unknown to become democatic leader of his Country and not even be from that Country in 12 years is quite amazing. No can disagree that is oratory skills were very powerful and if you had a politican speaking with the same such passion and conviction in this Country right now you could see him become very popular very quickly.

Hitler surrounded himself with loyal hard working individuals, Hess, Himmler, Gobbells and so on. They did most of the hard donkey work on the ground and built up a party of 7 members to millions, again quite impressive, no email or texts or podcasts in those days, or indeed a politics.ie.

What Hitler did was wrong. murdering women and children is evil, however western society is not without blood on its hands either. The Nazis lost the war (if they had not invaded Russia, we could be living in a totally different Europe) but deep down hitler was convinced the brits and themselves were really made to be good mates, and churchill turned down his advances to team up and take on stalin in 1941.

We all know that the Nazi's became popular because their country was savaged after WW1. it was broke and on its knees, The Jews were seen as profiteers and many of them were bankers and hitler spoke on behalf of the common man who wanted revenge. Sound familar??
Valid points.
 

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Has there ever been a good, reasonably impartial, biography of Hitler written?

For example, when did he become an anti semite?


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Has there ever been a good, reasonably impartial, biography of Hitler written?

For example, when did he become an anti semite?
Anti-semitism/racism was very popuar then, it came complete with its own science, eugenics.

Some of the ealder statesmen of the "democracies" were fierce racists, indeed as someone pointed out blacks were at an disadvantage compared even to "evil" Nazi PoWs in the US (and some would say still very much are).

The Polish government were also not in the ha'penny place when it came to the Jews, they were seething that the LoN was looking for a solution to Germanys problem with its Jews and was not concerned with the Polish "Jewish problem".

Consider also that neither the UK nor the US wanted to take 'too many' Jews, Hitler offered all of Germanys Jews to the US but they were declined.
 

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Anti-semitism/racism was very popuar then, it came complete with its own science, eugenics.

Some of the ealder statesmen of the "democracies" were fierce racists, indeed as someone pointed out blacks were at an disadvantage compared even to "evil" Nazi PoWs in the US (and some would say still very much are).

The Polish government were also not in the ha'penny place when it came to the Jews, they were seething that the LoN was looking for a solution to Germanys problem with its Jews and was not concerned with the Polish "Jewish problem".

Consider also that neither the UK nor the US wanted to take 'too many' Jews, Hitler offered all of Germanys Jews to the US but they were declined.
That's not any kind of answer to the question that was asked.
 

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Hitler was an complete moron.

He was handed the Country of Germany by the German Establishment.

His job was to keep communism out of Germany.

He had one job to do and fooked it up big time. Country destroyed, Millions dead and having to put a bullet in his own head. The communists taking over East Germany.

That man was a shambles and a complete and utter failure.
 

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It is for people with little imaginations.

Imo he is actually the least interesting major dictator of the 20th Century. And wasn't that important as a leader - what else can you say of a man who regularly awoke at 3PM?
Hitler worked until the small hours, and then slept late. When the D-Day landings happened some of the armour needed could not be moved without his personal permission. Nobody was keen to waken him with such bad news, so valuable time was wasted.

In fairness to whoever would have had to waken him, Rome had fallen a few days before D-DAy. Hard to blame any of his personal staff for being disinclined to waken him twice in one week with major bad news.

Those rant parodies are based on fact
 

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As time goes by I think more and more Hitler becomes less important to me in the 3rd Reich. I think the worst Nazi was Josef Goebbels. Why well he was an educated man, with a Docorate in Philosophy. Hitler and the rest were not educated, and were "chancers" in a way. Making it up as they went along so to speak.
But Goebbels was different- he was the worst. Not only did he order the death of millions, he commited an unforegivable act, he killed his own children, his flesh and blood!
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/goebbels.html
 


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