The Fourth Year of the Trump Presidency

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Oh my - a handful of Republican senators are holding up the US $2tn disaster aid bill.

They are playing politics, as usual.


"But the plan hit a speed bump as Republican senators Tim Scott, Rick Scott, Ben Sasse and Lindsey Graham said its major expansion of jobless benefits provided "a strong incentive for employees to be laid off instead of going to work"."
 


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US white nationalist groups have been promising attacks during the COVID-19 pandemic.

The theory was to bring about more strain on the US authorities in an attempt to start things like race riots etc.

So much for being US patriots. One threat was to attack a hospital because it is treating sick people. In this case congrats to the FBI for killing one of these white nationalist scumballs:


"A man under federal investigation in a potential domestic terrorism case was shot and killed Tuesday during an FBI operation to arrest him, people familiar with the investigation said.

The suspect, who hasn't been identified by authorities, was the subject of a months-long investigation into alleged white supremacist activity, and recently had made threats the FBI took seriously, the sources said.

Among the threats was one to carry out an attack on a hospital in the Kansas City, Missouri, area, where he lived, in part because of the belief that patients may be treated there for the Covid-19 virus."
 

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Trump sounded very bored during his news conference last night.

It was very low energy - Trump couldn't be bothered to be enthusiastic, even about his idiotic boasts. As he rambled on he even started talking about a building as being beautiful. And he ended up rambling about his non-wall at the Mexican border.

He's had enough of all of this. And it's not going away.
 

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Oh the screenshot existed alright.. pretty sure you could get that confirmed from a third party if you wanted...
I wanted it from you , you were boasting to me about posting it you asked did i want to see whatever screenshots you had. That was over a week ago but you declined all requests because you lied, you don't have one simple as that . Now say something about "stop trolling " rather put up said screenshots you don't have and never had because you are a lair.
 

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I was told by my Taoiseach that 80,000 Irish could die worst case scenario and a Sunday newspaper told me a million and a half "could" be infected. The government wouldn't deny it when asked. Today, the Taoiseach had to row back from his prediction that 15,000 would be infected by the end of the month
and before all of that 4 weeks ago before anyone said anything like that above you were predicting here that Ireland would be wiped out .But here you are saying everyone else is wrong but Trump ,his plan is right and you are 100% behind it and you wonder why people want you locked up or make fun of your utter stupidity on display here everyday .
 

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I'd be OK with these religious types going ahead with their services etc, so long as they don't go looking for treatment from the health system when they fall sick due to their idiotic behaviour.

If they have that much faith then surely their god will cure them if they fall sick, right?

If saving lives is a false god then it shouldn't bother them too much if they get sick and die.



"Writing in First Things, which describes itself as "America's most influential journal of religion & public life," editor Rusty Reno wrote that "the mass shutdown of society to fight the spread of COVID-19 creates a perverse, even demonic atmosphere."

Reno argues that fear of death is being allowed to distort social order. "Everything for the sake of physical life? What about justice, beauty, and honor? There are many more things precious than life (...) The Eucharist itself is now subordinated to the false god of 'saving lives.'"
He forgot his real God; Money. That's what religion is to these hypocrites.
The US really is a sad place right now,
 

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He's a doctor. Trump is president. It's a tragic, harsh, but logical reality that in war, those working in the trenches don't get to decide how the war is fought. Right or wrong, Trump is doing what he's doing to ultimately save lives. Fake News evil media will do everything and anything to thwart him. Doctor is a hero but this piece is being used to further that objective. Stupid, brainwashed people will not see this angle and will be suitably outraged. Result for corrupt Trump-hating media. Brain-rinse and repeat..
If you read anything about WWII you would know FDR did not "tell the generals what to do". They gave him options, they discussed them, and arrived at the "best" that met political and military goals.

Trump is just following his whims. He wants to have his hotels open.

And, by the way, he cannot tell Governors Cuomo, Newsom, Hogan, Bashear or Inslee what to do. They can, and have, ordered lockdowns in their state.s
 

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Prager should remember that the US didn't immediately fight the Nazis - for over 2 years right-wingers in the USA opposed getting involved in "a European war".

In the end the US waited until Nazi Germany declared war on the USA.
He should also remember that they only entered it after USSR did the majority of the fighting and lost many millions of their soldiers to drive the Nazis out of eastern Europe. USSR troops had Germany on the ropes when the USA etc arrived. America has many good people in it, but also unfortunately has a large contingent of boastful, inept and dangerous ones too. Roosevelt had to do political cartwheels to get America into the war. A very large constituent were favourable to Germany and were adamantly against getting involved. That is a bit off topic - apologies.
 

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Looks like the US is getting ready for the proverbial to hit the fan, its going to kick off. The US has been a powder keg for decades. Their death toll from this virus is going to dwarf anything else seen around the world and when the rage hits the streets its going to get really nasty, the 4 years under Trump has been like dousing the place in petrol before the spark lights. FBI are currently cracking down on white supremacist militia (someone was shot dead last night in a raid).

And video on twitter shows the military is now moving into position in anticipation of the civil unrest that is on its way. Economic collapse, shortages in supply and mounting death tolls mixed with incredible levels of political partisanship and very basic social welfare system is the recipe from hell. Everyone armed to the teeth for good measure.

 
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Looks like the US is getting ready for the proverbial to hit the fan, its going to kick off. The US has been a powder keg for decades. Their death toll from this virus is going to dwarf anything else seen around the world and when the rage hits the streets its going to get really nasty, the 4 years under Trump has been like dousing the place in petrol before the spark lights. FBI are currently cracking down on white supremacist militia (someone was shot dead last night in a raid).

The Tanks are most probably just passing through hence the need for transport by rail, id be very surprised if they are going to be deployed not the sort of deployment that would be needed anyway not going by our bog standard snowflake right wingers here on PIE. :)
 

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The Tanks are most probably just passing through hence the need for transport by rail, id be very surprised if they are going to be deployed not the sort of deployment that would be needed anyway not going by our bog standard snowflake right wingers here on PIE. :)
It's not going to be exclusively right/left. It's widespread civil unrest because you have almost complete economic shut down/collapse and little to no social welfare support, people are not going to be able to put food on the table or pay their bills. It will be extra angry civil unrest because it will be mixed with a very partisan political environment and sky high death tolls from virus. Government reaction and crack down will be very hard because the the system and the front line workers will already be under immense pressure because of the consequences of the virus and they will want to squash any trouble quickly, no prisoners taken job.
 

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It's not going to be exclusively right/left. It's widespread civil unrest because you have almost complete economic shut down/collapse and little to no social welfare support, people are not going to be able to put food on the table or pay their bills. It will be extra angry civil unrest because it will be mixed with a very partisan political environment and sky high death tolls from virus. Government reaction and crack down will be very hard because the the system and the front line workers will already be under immense pressure because of the consequences of the virus and they will want to squash any trouble quickly, no prisoners taken job.
While i agree with the sentiment of your post don't know if it will come to that but who knows ,really don't see how Tanks would be of any help though in such a situation.
 

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While i agree with the sentiment of your post don't know if it will come to that but who knows ,really don't see how Tanks would be of any help though in such a situation.
Intimidation. Keep people of the streets. Break up large scale protests while offering protection for military personnel. Likely crowds sizes in civil unrest will dwarf military numbers a tank is an equaliser by its size. Park them along roads leading the commercial centers to assert authority of the state.

California is an obvious potential hot spot.
 

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Thanks, it's the first article that talks about a timeline that I've read. So it comes down to a judgment call. Trump thinks its a death spiral. This guy doesn't. Who's right? I'd still go with Trump but reassuring to read. Not sure if I believe any Irish politician or rep anymore. Remember the "best capitalised banks in the world?" Fool me once etc etc....
Trump has fooled lots of people lots of times with his bankruptcies, but I guess expecting consistently from you would be too much.

You're still spouting this undefined death spiral guff which is meaningless.

From most people's perspectives, you reside out among the conspiracy loon brigade because your arguments are not based on facts, just blind faith in a compulsive liar.
 

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He should also remember that they only entered it after USSR did the majority of the fighting and lost many millions of their soldiers to drive the Nazis out of eastern Europe. USSR troops had Germany on the ropes when the USA etc arrived. America has many good people in it, but also unfortunately has a large contingent of boastful, inept and dangerous ones too. Roosevelt had to do political cartwheels to get America into the war. A very large constituent were favourable to Germany and were adamantly against getting involved. That is a bit off topic - apologies.
The US never entered the war on its own initiation. FDR was clearly an Allied-leaning neutral who wished to enter but didn't have enough Congressional and public support thanks primarily to the Republicans. The Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941 and the US declared war on Japan in response. Even then, the immediate American response included many who wished to avoid fighting in Europe whilst fighting the Japanese and even the German embassy in Washington DC notified Berlin of these sentiments.

Thankfully both Germany and Japan strategically erred in how they coordinated their wars of aggression as allies. The Nazi regime had foolishly guaranteed the Japanese that Germany would declare war on the US if Japan attacked it without obtaining a reciprocal promise that Japan would in turn declare war on the USSR. Japan therefore negotiated a 5 year neutrality pact with the USSR in April 1941 and then attacked the US in December 1941, and Germany declared war on the US as promised. In turn, the USSR declared war on Japan in September 1945 as agreed with the Allies in the wake of Germany's defeat in breach of its neutrality pact with Japan.

In fairness, the war truly started to turn against Germany in the east after its loss in Stalingrad, although it was heading for a war of attrition once its late jump in 1941 later stalled its advance in the Fall rains and Winter snows before Moscow and around Leningrad, etc. The foolish decision to attack the US without requirement opened Germany to a two front war with the industrial might of the US aimed back at it from a safe distance from direct attacks and a UK platform to launch it, a critical blow. The US's industrial and food production abilities along with its ability to produce army, navy and air power was tremendous and necessary for the war's success in Europe, and it was also the key power that defeated the Japanese in the Pacific against whom the Allies were also at war.

None the less, it's inarguable that the Soviets expended the brunt of the human and territory cost of fighting on the ground. The US also has Western allied help (and a land post in the UK) from the UK and Commonwealth nations, Latin America and mainland European resistance efforts. Even as a 'neutral', the Irish Free State was allied-leaning and provided many benefits, especially by keeping the UK supplied with military and civil manpower and food products. By contrast, had it formally entered the war, it likely would have been easily and quickly blockaded by U-boats and bombed by the Luftwaffe into ruin and starvation.
 
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Like all obsessed nutters, the right-wingers will only get interested when a lot of their own group starts dying.

The hypocrites who are saying that they'd be willing to die for America today will be shitting themselves if members of their group actually DO start dying.

So let the idiots in that Louisiana church or Liberty University meet as much as they want. Let them all infect each other, and then die in droves. Refuse them medical care as they chose to ignore advice and orders.

Save the medical care for sensible people.
Forgotton the American lives lost on the beaches of Normandy have we ? Where was Ireland? Getting ready to pass our condolences to the German ambassador on the death of Hitler. Green jersey? Eh .no thanks
 

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The big orange turd snowflake not happy someone disagrees this him - what a pr1ck!
Sociopathic malignant narcissist more like it....
 


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