The fracturing of the pan-European dream - why the EU will fail

GOF58

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There are three historic examples of institutions/state actors who have held total or sufficient power to harbour serious pretensions at pan-European hegemony. The most obvious historical example of pan-European government/organisation is the Roman Empire; it remains to this day the only state to have exercised sovereign control over Western Europe (with the exception of Germania) for an extended period of time (more then 15 years). Our second power is the Roman Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, when it exercised sufficient ideological power and material wealth to mobilise the temporal powers of Europe (or Christendom as it was then known) for the Crusades, both in Europe itself and in the Middle -East; moreover the Papacy was able to excommunicate or enforce penance on temporal rulers who defied it's dictates, such as Henry 2nd of England. The third institution with pretensions of pan-European sovereignty is the EU, which has sought to weld a Commonwealth of nations from Europe's disparate countries on the basis of common material interests.

By comparison with its predecessors, the EU is in an extraordinarily weak position - it has neither military coercion nor ideological/spiritual foundations for its claim to primacy over nation states, merely an agreement by each state that it will comply with EU law and participate in funding and running the institutions. This explains in part the present weakness of the EU and the emergence of Euro-sceptic movements- whereas the Roman Empire was bound together by military power, and Christendom by belief in the One Holy Roman and Apostolic Church, the present expression of pan-Europeanism is based on the cash-nexus and common economic interest of different member states, a fragile and ultimately transient bond as the pole of the World's economy migrates from West to East and countries are increasingly forced into competition for FDI & foreign capital. The clash between the PIIGS and the French & Germans at the height of the Eurozone debt crisis is an example of how the EU may fracture along national lines in the event of a resurgence of the crisis.

This economic clash, the lack of other more durable cultural or military ties, and the refusal of nation states to cede sufficient power to the EU to make it a transnational institution unreliant on powerful individual members, make the European bloc an ultimately transient phenomenon. Brexit may not be the death knell of the EU project but any reforms extracted by the UK as the price for staying in the EU will serve only to further undermine the EU project and make its continued viability questionable.
 
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This economic clash, the lack of other more durable cultural or military ties, and the refusal of nation states to cede sufficient power to the EU to make it a transnational institution unreliant on powerful individual members, make the European bloc an ultimately transient phenomenon. Brexit may not be the death knell of the EU project but any reforms extracted by the as the price for staying in the EU will serve only to further undermine the EU projectand make its continued viability questionable.
we can only live in hope! The EU is now just a US vassal organisation. It's lost it's way, been thoroughly corrupted and no longer serves the interests of it's citizens.

Currently it is putting us all at risk by going along with alarming US foreign policy decisions to deliberately aggravate Russia implemented through the veneer of NATO, who are currently holding huge military manoeuvres along russian borders.

Here's some more food for thought on the EU:

[video=youtube;eYqzcqDtL3k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYqzcqDtL3k[/video]

The cushy set up of EU bureaucrats and the ease of access for corporate lobbyists shown in the movie are noteworthy. Why in hell would any MEP ever want the EU to end? It's a politician's wet dream come true for them.
 
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A very good OP. If there are any mitigating factors in favour of the EU surviving and surmounting the shortcomings that the other transnational entities didn't have, it's that:

- the Western World is much more connected now than it was before and it's not pie-in-the-sky to speak of a common western Christian (in some cases post-Christian) culture

- from a negative point of view, there is a perceived threat from the Islamic world to the south and south-east. The old desire to unite against The Other might be a more powerful cohesive force than any ill-defined sense of Europeanness.
 

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Europe needs to reaffirm its lost Christianity, only then it can be a bulwark against the very real threat that is Islam. But as insane liberalism continues to take hold the rot will spread. I'd say we're looking at the Islamic federation of Europe in 20 years and the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of Europe's leftwing pinko appeasers.
 

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Europe needs to reaffirm its lost Christianity, only then it can be a bulwark against the very real threat that is Islam. But as insane liberalism continues to take hold the rot will spread. I'd say we're looking at the Islamic federation of Europe in 20 years and the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of Europe's leftwing pinko appeasers.
Sweden is already lost and Germany is well on the way. I fear for Germany in 10 years time I really do. Hopefully Brexit can lead the charge and Ireland despite our corrupt and gutless politicians will be forced to leave also. La Cosa Nostra are doing some stand up work in Southern Italy of holding the line for the rest the country but the sheer numbers of ragheads is frightening (why aren't we seeing what's going on in Italy in mainstream btw).
 

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The liberal agenda wrecking of europe is over, the tides have turned even today the joe duffy show had a no. of callers ringing in saying they didn't believe the "racism" story being aired........12-24 months ago there would have been not a single voice of opposition.

Ordinary people are beginning to raise their heads from the non stop multiculturalism propaganda of the last decade, most notably propagated by rte and state funded quangos.
 

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Europe needs to reaffirm its lost Christianity, only then it can be a bulwark against the very real threat that is Islam. But as insane liberalism continues to take hold the rot will spread. I'd say we're looking at the Islamic federation of Europe in 20 years and the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of Europe's leftwing pinko appeasers.
No it needs to defend western democracy from radical Islamists
 

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Our European leaders are really looking out for Europe. Just look at how they all support the Zionist-driven destruction of the Middle East that has caused the refugee crisis engulfing Europe :roll:
 

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Sweden is already lost and Germany is well on the way. I fear for Germany in 10 years time I really do. Hopefully Brexit can lead the charge and Ireland despite our corrupt and gutless politicians will be forced to leave also. La Cosa Nostra are doing some stand up work in Southern Italy of holding the line for the rest the country but the sheer numbers of ragheads is frightening (why aren't we seeing what's going on in Italy in mainstream btw).
have you any links for the italy stuff?
 

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Europe needs to reaffirm its lost Christianity, only then it can be a bulwark against the very real threat that is Islam. But as insane liberalism continues to take hold the rot will spread. I'd say we're looking at the Islamic federation of Europe in 20 years and the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of Europe's leftwing pinko appeasers.
The freedom of labour to move is the natural partner of the freedom of capital to move around the world - neither are left wing ideas. You will notice when right wing parties are elected they do not stem the flow of migrants, some like Merkel encourage the flow to increase.

There is no left truly as all political parties go with the 'let the markets lead' status quo and allow stock exchanges, futures trading and some self styled centre left parties even go for privatisations. Is this notion of demonising 'the left' an importation from the US where the word 'left' or 'socialist' is just a general everyday curse against anything the yanks find rotten in their lives?

If someone curses 'liberals' i don't mind that much, it is more accurate.

By the way multiculturalism's ultimate prize is to obliterate social cohesion and the sense of community among the lower classes and to ensnare them in racial and sectarian politics forever. It also undoes the traditional underpinnings of the nation state. When the ultimate economic power is waged in Brussels then all that is left to the individual nation states is things like designation of bank holidays, what side of the road you drive on, cultural festivals and traditions and a shared historical journey and (likely) religion. Multicultism can erase many of those vestiges undoing the nation itself. Rather than the Euro dream being fractured it is the old European nations that will dissolved.
 
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Our European leaders are really looking out for Europe. Just look at how they all support the Zionist-driven destruction of the Middle East that has caused the refugee crisis engulfing Europe :roll:
You really have to connect everything to the Jews.....
 

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You really have to connect everything to the Jews.....
Stop spreading your antisemitism!


Zionist Neoconservatives are NOT representative of all Jews. In fact most US Jews are liberal Democrat voters who are against the warmongering in the Middle East that has been driven by Zionist Neocons.
 

olli rehn

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Stop spreading your antisemitism!


Zionist Neoconservatives are NOT representative of all Jews. In fact most US Jews are liberal Democrat voters who are against the warmongering in the Middle East that has been driven by Zionist Neocons.
It is you who suspects the Jews behind everything. Of course you do not say so openly- you just use the codeword "Zionist" !
 

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It is you who suspects the Jews behind everything. Of course you do not say so openly- you just use the codeword "Zionist" !
Don't be ridiculous! Do you even know who the Neocons are? Do you know what they represent?

They are all Zionists, some are Jews, some are not.

They seek US hegemony all over the world. They are the driving force behind much of the destruction in the Middle East, such as Iraq and Syria. They were heavily involved in the Ukraine coup, which Victoria Nuland, wife of Robert Kagan, orchestrated.

Kagan was a co-author of the blueprint for the destruction of the Middle East for Israel's benefit: the Project For A New American Century.

A Zionist, Neocon plan.

Now please stop trying to conflate the actions of these criminals with people of Jewish faith. They are no more responsible than the Protestants of New England were for UVF terrorist attacks.
 


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