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The Frontline 14/1/2013 @ 22:25: Croke Park II: who pays?


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Tonight, Pat Kenny has a sudio of public and private sector employees to tease out the future for Croke Park II.
Today, discussions got underway on the extension of the Croke Park agreement: Croke Park II.

The Minister for Education Ruairí Quinn said does not want to cut the pay of civil and public servants, but that Government needs to find more savings in the public sector.

Unions and business representatives met with government officials today to begin negotiations on:
* pay increments
* longer working weeks
* pensions all up for discussion.
* Government is also considering compulsory redundancies.

Minister Quinn said savings have to be achieved from less this time round.

"Increments last year and the year before cost between €190m and €250m over the two years," said Seán Murphy of Chambers Ireland . "Sixty-three percent of all civil servants qualify for increments. It's not a small number. “You're not talking about cutting people's pay - you're talking about pausing it for a number of years as we get more wiggle room to deal with the challenges we face as a State."

Union leader warns of 18,500 lay-offs if deal fails on new Croke Park - National News - Independent.ie
Croke Park talks: Govt does not want to cut pay, says Quinn | BreakingNews.ie


http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/204114-troika-wants-cut-ps-pay.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/health-social-affairs/204166-doctors-ireland-paid-too-much-says-new-eu-report.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/media/204174-2013-continued-bullying-public-sector-workers-independent-newspapers.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/204243-socialist-ps-unions.html

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Clearly the whole emphasis of this programme will be based on the fact that we cannot afford nurses, teachers, Gardaí. . . . But we can afford to spend 6 billion per year more on social welfare than we can on paying the employees of the state.
 

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patslatt is going to wet himself.....
 

nonpartyboy

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Clearly the whole emphasis of this programme will be based on the fact that we cannot afford nurses, teachers, Gardaí. . . . But we can afford to spend 6 billion per year more on social welfare than we can on paying the employees of the state.
We can bailout private banking pensions funds.....

We can pay outrageous sums to the private sector for "contracts"....

we can fund hundreds of quangos......
 

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We can bailout private banking pensions funds.....

We can pay outrageous sums to the private sector for "contracts"....

we can fund hundreds of quangos......
Precisely......it's just another case of turning to the lowest paid in the public sector and stating........"what more are you going to give us?"
 

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Stickie Blair Horan in b!tchfest with SWP Paul Murphy?
 

Clanrickard

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Donnelly talking sense.
 

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If we are lucky, it might be as successful as that attack on Public Sector Grants which are long past their sell-by date.

Although if I remember correctly, they only cut what, one?

The CPA has its numerous, numerous flaws.

Yet it was after all signed during a time of supposed Financial Certainty.

If Labour/FG (although with particular emphasis on Labour, as if they don't in some way attack this then that's election #66 broken) can at least moderate that glorified gravy train, then maybe they'll retain some credibility before the next election.
 

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Donnelly hits the nail on the head, suits on both sides many directly responsible for our current predicament deciding what reform means..........bull************************.

How about we get rid of 25% of senior and middle management ?? In the morning.
 

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he,s a little too cosy with everyone lately , seems to be turning into a politican
Yeah he does try and be all things to all men sometimes.
 

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I hope nobody stumbles into a situation here they mention PK's salary, or he will turn white with rage, and then apologies will have to be offered...and it could get very awkward...

Pat, (roving floor with microphone): "So what DOES a typical nurse earn?"

Audience member: "Well, to put it in language the viewers will understand, if you were paid half your salary, Pat, you'd be earning five times more than the typical nurse"

Pat: "Well, room for some cutting there, so...."
 

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Donnelly talking sense.
He was spot on in his analysis about fat bloated overpaid union Officals,going into a room with similar fat bloated overpaid Ministers,making shapes,then eventually agreeing on a coarse of cutbacks and changes which have left the workers affected,bewildered and perplexed at the level of the sellout.
 

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Hmm. Consultants mopping out toilets while cleaners perform surgery. Could work I suppose.
 

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I would just like to have one questioned answered, how many of the 700 of so quangos are still in existence today ?

Talking about getting rid of frontline workers while we are still funding a whole army of desk jockeys, is why i will be voting against any further cuts.
 

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Hah! Nail on head. Let's see the politicians take pay cuts.
 

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