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The Frontline 22/10/12: Shutting up shop


Neutron

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I have removed my self imposed ban on starting threads for one thread only to give you tonights Frontline Thread at the request of Norman.

Shutting up shop

Over a quarter of a million people are employed directly in retail and wholesale sectors and are doubtless hoping the next two months will be their busiest of the year. But with consumer confidence still on the floor, and details of another austerity budget yet to be revealed at the start of December, could this be the most challenging Christmas yet for retailers?


Do you the shopper have a role to play? A survey last year by Amárach on the impact of the ‘Guaranteed Irish’ campaign found that the average household spend per week on Irish products and services was just under €16.


The same survey revealed that if another €4 of that household’s spend was converted to Irish companies, it could create 6,200 jobs. Is that even possible for people in these straightened times who rather than ‘Buy Irish’ have to ‘buy cheapest’?


Shopping online might save you cash right now – but is it contributing to the death of your own town centre? Without a cut in commercial rates will empty, and often derelict, shop units become a permanent feature of our main streets? Can cash-strapped councils even contemplate such a move? Or is it only economic recovery which can lift domestic demand?


That’s Monday, on The Frontline, 22.35pm.


Are you interested in participating? Do you shop online for price reasons? If so, get in touch at thefrontline@rte.ie or on 01 208 2941.

And as always if you’d like to join us in studio email thefrontlineaudience@rte.ie





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RT News - Shutting up shop

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Irish Retail Sales fall to lowest level in 10 years


[h=1]Retail sales continued to fall last quarter[/h]
September was the most challenging month of the quarter, according to Retail Excellence Ireland.
It recorded a drop in sales of almost 1.5% from the same month last year.
It cites pre-budget speculation as the main reason, which caused a decrease in consumer sentiment that month.


The worst performing sectors in the third quarter were IT, which was down almost 20% on the same quarter last year, and gardening equipment, down 8.5% on the third quarter of 2011.
Retail sales continued to fall last quarter - RT News
 


Radix

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Jaypurs Neutron, I thought you were going to tell us that Pat was gone.

Anyway, isn't this what 'taking the heat out of the economy' is all about; shutting up shop.

The Government have been implementing the wishes of our financial controllers to the letter in this regard and we are almost on the bottom now. Aren't we?
 

JimComic

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most of your high st shops are knackered by rates, rent and insurance


we used to have a shop in town but i'd never again even consider it, such are the insane overheads

i can see the city centre in years to come being mainly cafes/pubs/restaurants with a lot of overhead accom

the days of going into the city to get a fridge, etc are long gone... i thought womens clothes shops might have had the best chance of survival after the boo.com disaster but even clothes are booming online with asos, m&m, etc
 

gatsbygirl20

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Two things:

Gardening equipment down 5.8%----I did not need much gardening equipment this year because the weather was too crap to do any sustained work in the garden, or to sit outside, or barbecue, etc. And I'm guessing that applies to a lot of people...

Drop in sales of 1.5%----I am hanging on to my dwindling few bob and waiting for the budget. I read in some paper today that the Government is considering slashing tax relief on pensions which would reduce the pay of PS workers twice on the two deductions for their pension. Add that to whatever other pain is coming in the budget, and we might need our few Euros in the New Year....

If people could see or plan ahead, or actually knew what their payslip would look like next year, or if they knew whether they were going to have a payslip at all....well, they would not be afraid to spend a bit

But this recession has been driven by fear and vague threats. And people are not going to spend while that mood prevails....
 

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I wonder will this program completely miss the point and ignore online shopping? What are the government going to do about that? People even go into shops to see and try on products on the case of clothes and then go back home and buy them cheaper online.

Any program that does not address this fact is a waste of time. as rates etc is only a part of the problem for retailers.
 

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Tks for the OP N,

You shouldn't ban yourself from starting threads, you start good threads,

However, I must point out the following,

That Amarach report is a load of rubbish,

"Guarenteed Irish" is not good for Irish business, in fact it is very bad,

A boxer never makes it on the world stage in the coach tells his sparing partners to go easy on him,

And the councils have no money coz they spend way to much on salaries & they waste what's left,

And retail is suffering for one reason & one reason only,

Nobody has any fckn money to spend!
 

Ribeye

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I wonder will this program completely miss the point and ignore online shopping? What are the government going to do about that? People even go into shops to see and try on products on the case of clothes and then go back home and buy them cheaper online.

Any program that does not address this fact is a waste of time. as rates etc is only a part of the problem for retailers.
"What are govt going to do about online shopping"

What are you suggesting here?
 

Neutron

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Tks for the OP N,

You shouldn't ban yourself from starting threads, you start good threads,

However, I must point out the following,

That Amarach report is a load of rubbish,

"Guarenteed Irish" is not good for Irish business, in fact it is very bad,

A boxer never makes it on the world stage in the coach tells his sparing partners to go easy on him,

And the councils have no money coz they spend way to much on salaries & they waste what's left,

And retail is suffering for one reason & one reason only,

Nobody has any fckn money to spend!
Thankgod we wont be having a budget that sucks more money from those who cant least afford it and spend every cent in the real economy.

Oh Wait......
 

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I have removed my self imposed ban on starting threads for one thread only to give you tonights Frontline Thread at the request of Norman.

Shutting up shop

Over a quarter of a million people are employed directly in retail and wholesale sectors and are doubtless hoping the next two months will be their busiest of the year. But with consumer confidence still on the floor, and details of another austerity budget yet to be revealed at the start of December, could this be the most challenging Christmas yet for retailers?


Do you the shopper have a role to play? A survey last year by Amárach on the impact of the ‘Guaranteed Irish’ campaign found that the average household spend per week on Irish products and services was just under €16.


The same survey revealed that if another €4 of that household’s spend was converted to Irish companies, it could create 6,200 jobs. Is that even possible for people in these straightened times who rather than ‘Buy Irish’ have to ‘buy cheapest’?


Shopping online might save you cash right now – but is it contributing to the death of your own town centre? Without a cut in commercial rates will empty, and often derelict, shop units become a permanent feature of our main streets? Can cash-strapped councils even contemplate such a move? Or is it only economic recovery which can lift domestic demand?


That’s Monday, on The Frontline, 22.35pm.


Are you interested in participating? Do you shop online for price reasons? If so, get in touch at thefrontline@rte.ie or on 01 208 2941.

And as always if you’d like to join us in studio email thefrontlineaudience@rte.ie





Online: Aertv | Watch Irish TV live online


RT News - Shutting up shop

Related Threads


Irish Retail Sales fall to lowest level in 10 years


[h=1]Retail sales continued to fall last quarter[/h]

Retail sales continued to fall last quarter - RT News
Due to the abysmal planning policy and house prices, I have been pushed out to commuter town, so watching that, at the time its on, will have me not watching it as I will be going to bed.
 

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I have a life.
Who are the government going to roll out to stand by austerity and tell us all that it is working and the green shoots are just around the corner.
 

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Who are the government going to roll out to stand by austerity and tell us all that it is working and the green shoots are just around the corner.
Probably Lance fckn Armstrong,
 

tigerben

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All supermarkets should have total Irish spend on them, Supervalu does and out of 55.10 spend yesterday , 22.33 was on Irish product. As for retail, and specially with Christmas coming up, most shops have a Christmas club but I wonder are the groups like grab one and living and social going to have a impact on sales. Grab one has a shop with two or three new items daily, and not just for counties.
 

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And retail is suffering for one reason & one reason only,

Nobody has any fckn money to spend!
Lots of people have (earned) money available to spend, but the 1 billion a week of borrowed money that used to fund the bubble element of the economy is gone, and gone forever. All we have from now on is the earned money from the real economy.
 

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harney said 'shop around' so that's what a lot of folk do, simples
Yeah...well....we don't all have a state funded helicopter on standby to give a lift (and what a lift it must have been) to an off licence in Leitrim.....when we want to "shop around".....
 

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Ribeye

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Lots of people have (earned) money available to spend, but the 1 billion a week of borrowed money that used to fund the bubble element of the economy is gone, and gone forever. All we have from now on is the earned money from the real economy.
And that would be sufficient to see retail do ok,

Except for the fact that the bubble debts, rates and rents still remain, and 50% of people's earned income gets taken in tax to be wasted by govt,

It's the giant wasteful bloated state that's the problem folks, make no mistake!
 

poolfan81

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Politicians celebrate every brand new opening of tesco,dunnes etc because it creates some "new" jobs

This may have more consequences - closure of smaller shops, suppliers etc

The larger multiples will source the cheapest products they can find and will not source, which is not necessarily Irish products
 

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