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The future for politics in Clare


Dal gCais

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Fellow Banner folk, I've long said on different fora that I find all parties hard to bear and not so much because of the parties themselves, I have many friends active in almost all the parties in the county, but because I genuinely believe that no matter what your hue, there has been a culture in Irish politics emanating from those elected in the 70's and 80's and that has poisoned the well. What is needed is a total clear out and to start with a new generation as mine has failed Ireland.

I wouldn't necessarily have a huge problem with any individual political party's supposed ideologies (well the Socialists make me a tad uneasy but then again, they've yet to be proven wrong or right) so party allegiance doesn't mean much to me. What I'd like to know is, are there any people from the younger generation actually getting involved and putting themselves forward any more or are even those with political ambitions flying the coop and heading to Oz? I voted young Markham last time out number 1 and really liked the sound of him. Although he may still have been a bit green and naive during some of the Clare FM debates I was impressed with his enthusiasm and he really hit a chord with me when he spoke about ethics in politics.

Surely he can't be alone however in a county the size of Clare. Where are the politically engaged youth of the county gone?
 

Dal gCais

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Were you his campaign manager, horse?
Never met the kid to be honest. Did know of his uncle who was a good boxer a couple of decades ago but that was about it.

Ernesto, if that's the case I think I'd better get a fat black marker ready for the next election in order to write "F*** you ALL" on my ballot. None of the current 4 nor the Senators there give me any hope really. Needs a new generation completely.
 

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Fellow Banner folk, I've long said on different fora that I find all parties hard to bear and not so much because of the parties themselves, I have many friends active in almost all the parties in the county, but because I genuinely believe that no matter what your hue, there has been a culture in Irish politics emanating from those elected in the 70's and 80's and that has poisoned the well. What is needed is a total clear out and to start with a new generation as mine has failed Ireland.

I wouldn't necessarily have a huge problem with any individual political party's supposed ideologies (well the Socialists make me a tad uneasy but then again, they've yet to be proven wrong or right) so party allegiance doesn't mean much to me. What I'd like to know is, are there any people from the younger generation actually getting involved and putting themselves forward any more or are even those with political ambitions flying the coop and heading to Oz? I voted young Markham last time out number 1 and really liked the sound of him. Although he may still have been a bit green and naive during some of the Clare FM debates I was impressed with his enthusiasm and he really hit a chord with me when he spoke about ethics in politics.

Surely he can't be alone however in a county the size of Clare. Where are the politically engaged youth of the county gone?
Switched my vote to Dublin South so did not vote in Clare for the last election. However, I know far too many people who voted for Hillary simply because his 'dad was a good man'. Even though he was an FF candidate, he nearly got in just because of his name..... need I say any more!
 

CptSternn

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Switched my vote to Dublin South so did not vote in Clare for the last election. However, I know far too many people who voted for Hillary simply because his 'dad was a good man'. Even though he was an FF candidate, he nearly got in just because of his name..... need I say any more!
[video=youtube;TsnLyHKWtrg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsnLyHKWtrg[/video]
 

Dal gCais

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Brilliant!
That's exactly it! When you're faced with a range of candidate that are each as unelectable as the next how are you supposed to choose? Are there any young people though ye have even heard of that might be interested or would be good if someone convinced them? Are any of the parties looking at young candidates at all? I even hear that SF are putting forward someone in my area who's as old as myself. Not looking good at all.
 

Dal gCais

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Well with this being the current behaviour of our elected officials at the county council meetings, it's more clear than ever that a complete overhaul of council members is needed in that county. Disgraceful! They're more interested in stuffing their faces (multiple times a day) for free than getting on with the business we pay them for!

Mayor pleads for silence amid chamber rumpus
 

Dal gCais

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Well I see the Clare People have formally declared who they're backing running into the locals next year. They have their preferred candidates splashed all over page 6 of this weeks issue. No link available as they've a pay site. Is anyone able to put the extract up? Or more importantly, does anyone know those people in question, particularly your man Greaney as he should be in my area?
 

Dal gCais

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Well I see the Clare People have formally declared who they're backing running into the locals next year. They have their preferred candidates splashed all over page 6 of this weeks issue. No link available as they've a pay site. Is anyone able to put the extract up? Or more importantly, does anyone know those people in question, particularly your man Greaney as he should be in my area?
Found a way to get the article up. Not great quality but am wondering if they'll do all parties or are the People very pro-FF? Anyone able to shed any light on this?

 

Dal gCais

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The Labour seat is gone.
Well I think that's a given but I'd prefer to give it to a candidate who actually deserves it as opposed to voting who media, either local or national, tells me to. What I'm trying to figure out is who these people are and if one of our locals is actually nothing more than a partisan mouth piece.
 

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Well I think that's a given but I'd prefer to give it to a candidate who actually deserves it as opposed to voting who media, either local or national, tells me to. What I'm trying to figure out is who these people are and if one of our locals is actually nothing more than a partisan mouth piece.
Naive of me (I only know who calls to my door), but where does one find a list of possible candidates, or do we wait for them to out themselves in the local media?
 

Dal gCais

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Naive of me (I only know who calls to my door), but where does one find a list of possible candidates, or do we wait for them to out themselves in the local media?
Pretty sure it's a case of find it out in the local media. Parties will be holding selection conventions and they should be reported on. Independents will put themselves forward but the final list won't be confirmed until the deadline is passed and they'll be listed I presume in all the local papers.
 

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Pretty sure it's a case of find it out in the local media. Parties will be holding selection conventions and they should be reported on. Independents will put themselves forward but the final list won't be confirmed until the deadline is passed and they'll be listed I presume in all the local papers.
But this is the problem in Clare, no TD actually gives a sh*t. A hotel closed it's doors today with the loss of 60 odd jobs, the reason (word of mouth from staff), the proprietor owed 177k to revenue, and as a result could not renew his drinks licence, he reportedly offered to pay in installments and also reportedly offered a property in the UK as collateral. They seem to have a viable business, ( judging by pre-existing bookings for weddings and conferences for 2013). Some TD's were said to be approached about this and the feedback was there was nothing to be done. Where does one go from here. We seem to be caught some where between the parish pump and the pulpit. :roll:
 

Dal gCais

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But this is the problem in Clare, no TD actually gives a sh*t. A hotel closed it's doors today with the loss of 60 odd jobs, the reason (word of mouth from staff), the proprietor owed 177k to revenue, and as a result could not renew his drinks licence, he reportedly offered to pay in installments and also reportedly offered a property in the UK as collateral. They seem to have a viable business, ( judging by pre-existing bookings for weddings and conferences for 2013). Some TD's were said to be approached about this and the feedback was there was nothing to be done. Where does one go from here. We seem to be caught some where between the parish pump and the pulpit. :roll:
I must admit I didn't even hear that story. What hotel was that? Sounds desperate. Just goes to show what we voted in last time. I used preference 2 through 6 for current Government candidates. Those same people will not be getting a scratch again if that's how they go. That's why I'm keen to see who might come out of the woodwork at these local elections in order to see if there may be a decent potential TD among them, however the majority of people (if this thread is anything to go by anyway) don't seem to give a damn. Then again, that's probably a lot to do with the apathy the politicians themselves are causing.
 

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But this is the problem in Clare, no TD actually gives a sh*t. A hotel closed it's doors today with the loss of 60 odd jobs, the reason (word of mouth from staff), the proprietor owed 177k to revenue, and as a result could not renew his drinks licence, he reportedly offered to pay in installments and also reportedly offered a property in the UK as collateral. They seem to have a viable business, ( judging by pre-existing bookings for weddings and conferences for 2013). Some TD's were said to be approached about this and the feedback was there was nothing to be done. Where does one go from here. We seem to be caught some where between the parish pump and the pulpit. :roll:

Irony alert!


You obviously don't see any problem with a TD contacting the Revenue Commissioners looking for a lifeline for an ailing hotel and yet you rail against parish pumpery.

What, by your reckoning, should our TDs have done regarding the closure of the hotel? It is a private enterprise and businesses fail. I don't know the hotel you're talking about but as sure as eggs is eggs the story is not as simple as portrayed to you. The Revenue Commissioners don't shut places down unless there is no prospect of payment.
 

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But this is the problem in Clare, no TD actually gives a sh*t. A hotel closed it's doors today with the loss of 60 odd jobs, the reason (word of mouth from staff), the proprietor owed 177k to revenue, and as a result could not renew his drinks licence, he reportedly offered to pay in installments and also reportedly offered a property in the UK as collateral. They seem to have a viable business, ( judging by pre-existing bookings for weddings and conferences for 2013). Some TD's were said to be approached about this and the feedback was there was nothing to be done. Where does one go from here. We seem to be caught some where between the parish pump and the pulpit. :roll:
If it's a "viable business" why couldn't it pay its taxes?
 

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The Revenue Commissioners don't shut places down unless there is no prospect of payment.
Yes they do. He was referring to the Woodstock Hotel in Ennis I believe which closed with the loss of 60 jobs. This is the second time it closed the last being in 2008.
 

Mentalist Clientelist

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Yes they do. He was referring to the Woodstock Hotel in Ennis I believe which closed with the loss of 60 jobs. This is the second time it closed the last being in 2008.

How does that disprove what I said?

The primary aim of the Revenue is to get as much tax as possible. It is clearly not in their interest to close a hotel down thus killing off any hope of getting paid. It is in their interest to wait around and receive payments in instalments if there is a prospect of that happening.
 
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