The future for politics in Clare

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None of the TDs give two shytes about anything happening here. Look at Dooley. Dooley is the litmus test of all other local TDs, as he has been in it a long time and is a living example of what people complain about.

He stood shoulder to shoulder with the nurses in Shannon a few years ago when they protested about conditions and wages...then went and voted with his party to screw the very same nurses.

He said he would step down as a TD if his party took 24 hour A&E services out of Clare and the hospital in Ennis, then voted with his party to do just that, and later remarked during an interview with the local media, 'sure, no one took me seriously'.

We also have the Breens. One former FF and the other former FG. Both run as 'Independents' only because their respective parties refused to put them at top billing on their ballot choices during an election a few cycles back, so they now run as independents but yet sit beside and vote alongside the same parties which they claim to be independent from.

The reality is here in Clare we have half FF and half FG and both sides could care less what happens here and will always vote along party lines, no matter what the outcome for Clare is. They don't care. They are party loyalists. Clare could fall off into the ocean for all they care. They vote the way that best benefits themselves, so they can move up to Jr. Minister like auld Dooley has, forsaking his own constituents for a few proverbial pieces of silver (or a nice title).

And every cycle the muppets who live here vote the same way, again and again and again and are party loyalists even though their elected officials continually screw them, their families, and the entire region because they support their parties as well.

It never ceases to amaze me that the people of Clare vote for representatives who ALWAYS vote what is in the best interests of Dublin over Clare, and then complain when these representatives do just that, yet next election do the exact same thing again.

Of course there is the other issue which is you rarely see anyone other than FF/FG on the ballot here, which also doesn't help. Nothing like being given a ballot with twenty choices, all of which consist of candidates from two parties, two parties which share almost identical platforms.
 


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How does that disprove what I said?

The primary aim of the Revenue is to get as much tax as possible. It is clearly not in their interest to close a hotel down thus killing off any hope of getting paid. It is in their interest to wait around and receive payments in instalments if there is a prospect of that happening.
I was not linking the two but I do know the revenue have closed down people where they had a chance of paying. We shared an account in two cases. There are some bitter people in the revenue who have the PS mentality that business people are capitalist pigs who are all on the take.

And every cycle the muppets who live here vote the same way, again and again and again and are party loyalists even though their elected officials continually screw them, their families, and the entire region because they support their parties as well.
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Me too. They may have elderly relatives suffering on trollies, their kids may be working in Melbourne, the benefits they get may be cut but begorrah they get the pat on the head from the TD.
 

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None of the TDs give two shytes about anything happening here. Look at Dooley. Dooley is the litmus test of all other local TDs, as he has been in it a long time and is a living example of what people complain about.

He stood shoulder to shoulder with the nurses in Shannon a few years ago when they protested about conditions and wages...then went and voted with his party to screw the very same nurses.

He said he would step down as a TD if his party took 24 hour A&E services out of Clare and the hospital in Ennis, then voted with his party to do just that, and later remarked during an interview with the local media, 'sure, no one took me seriously'.

We also have the Breens. One former FF and the other former FG. Both run as 'Independents' only because their respective parties refused to put them at top billing on their ballot choices during an election a few cycles back, so they now run as independents but yet sit beside and vote alongside the same parties which they claim to be independent from.

The reality is here in Clare we have half FF and half FG and both sides could care less what happens here and will always vote along party lines, no matter what the outcome for Clare is. They don't care. They are party loyalists. Clare could fall off into the ocean for all they care. They vote the way that best benefits themselves, so they can move up to Jr. Minister like auld Dooley has, forsaking his own constituents for a few proverbial pieces of silver (or a nice title).

And every cycle the muppets who live here vote the same way, again and again and again and are party loyalists even though their elected officials continually screw them, their families, and the entire region because they support their parties as well.

It never ceases to amaze me that the people of Clare vote for representatives who ALWAYS vote what is in the best interests of Dublin over Clare, and then complain when these representatives do just that, yet next election do the exact same thing again.

Of course there is the other issue which is you rarely see anyone other than FF/FG on the ballot here, which also doesn't help. Nothing like being given a ballot with twenty choices, all of which consist of candidates from two parties, two parties which share almost identical platforms.
It is the same here in Mayo. Nothing changes. You get fed up of the same rubbish election after election.
 

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None of the TDs give two shytes about anything happening here. Look at Dooley. Dooley is the litmus test of all other local TDs, as he has been in it a long time and is a living example of what people complain about.

He stood shoulder to shoulder with the nurses in Shannon a few years ago when they protested about conditions and wages...then went and voted with his party to screw the very same nurses.

He said he would step down as a TD if his party took 24 hour A&E services out of Clare and the hospital in Ennis, then voted with his party to do just that, and later remarked during an interview with the local media, 'sure, no one took me seriously'.

We also have the Breens. One former FF and the other former FG. Both run as 'Independents' only because their respective parties refused to put them at top billing on their ballot choices during an election a few cycles back, so they now run as independents but yet sit beside and vote alongside the same parties which they claim to be independent from.

The reality is here in Clare we have half FF and half FG and both sides could care less what happens here and will always vote along party lines, no matter what the outcome for Clare is. They don't care. They are party loyalists. Clare could fall off into the ocean for all they care. They vote the way that best benefits themselves, so they can move up to Jr. Minister like auld Dooley has, forsaking his own constituents for a few proverbial pieces of silver (or a nice title).

And every cycle the muppets who live here vote the same way, again and again and again and are party loyalists even though their elected officials continually screw them, their families, and the entire region because they support their parties as well.

It never ceases to amaze me that the people of Clare vote for representatives who ALWAYS vote what is in the best interests of Dublin over Clare, and then complain when these representatives do just that, yet next election do the exact same thing again.

Of course there is the other issue which is you rarely see anyone other than FF/FG on the ballot here, which also doesn't help. Nothing like being given a ballot with twenty choices, all of which consist of candidates from two parties, two parties which share almost identical platforms.

Few things here
As much as I hate to say it but Timmy ''hide the money from the wife'' Dooley is the best performing Clare TD I know I know
Pat Breen is Fine gael not independent fine gael total fine gael
Breen has been there longer than Carey or Dooley
McNamara offered change and I voted for him, more fool me
If we were to vote for the best interests of Clare James Breen would have been in when Bertie needed the independents and we would be like Kerry South
 

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What is this change you are all hankering after?
Most irish people are quite happy with the ding dong status quo and have been for generations.

Reminds me a bit of that character, Grimey, in the Simpsons.
Thought every one else was wrong and eventually drove himself mad.

The reality is that in every constituency in ireland there is one ' protest seat'- gob************************es like Ming, Healy Rae etc, Sinn Fein, socialist or whatever.
The remaining 3 seats go to the 3 mainstream parties in varying percentages depending on local voting patterns and the national mood.

75% equates to the ordinary working people, people with a stake and an interest in the country.
25% equates to those who never worked, have no property and who see the state as existing to mind them.

This pattern will not change.
 

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As much as I hate to say it but Timmy ''hide the money from the wife'' Dooley is the best performing Clare TD I know I know
How so? He voted to move A&E services out of the entire county, after pledging to fight for them. He voted against the nurses, after protesting alongside them. He was against separating the DAA from Shannon. Remember when they took the women's cancer screening facilities out of Clare as well? He went on stage saying it was an outrage! Then later voted to do it.

That was a real kick in the teeth to the local community.

See, back in the 80's if you remember there was a lady here in Clare who was diagnosed with breast cancer. Because she was on the waiting list they didn't catch it until it had already become terminal. She spent her last days fund raising to get the equipment needed in the hospital here in Ennis so women of Clare would not have to wait for such screenings. She was involved in dozens of events in her final days all in efforts to raise money from private donors to get this much needed equipment. Right before she passed away she met the goal, and thanks to all the private donors they were able to open the unit in Ennis.

Cowen and FF then decided they wanted the machines moved to Limerick, so they could have TWO units there, and even more disgusting, they planned on giving the machine which that lady spent her final days obtaining to a PRIVATE hospital in Limerick. There was a huge protest in regards to this a couple years ago sure. You know what FF did? After the protest they said fine, we won't take the machines and move them to a private doctors office in Limerick, but we will move all the trained professionals who operate them there, which they did, and shuttered the unit. A few weeks later once no one was paying attention they brought in vans in the middle of the night and took all that equipment away, to that private hospital in Limerick.

That was FF and Dooley stood shoulder to shoulder with them while they did it and VOTED to do this alongside them even though during the protest he vowed to fight for the women of Clare. He never said boo about it when it was happening, nor did he say anything after they came and took it all away in the dead of night.

You think he is the best performing? He sold out the people of Clare time and time again to rise in his own parties ranks. He has now made sure people of Clare will DIE since there is no longer ambulance or A&E services in our county, this is already happening. Women of Clare again have to wait in line behind the ones in Limerick and now also Tipperary since all three counties have to share one hospital and services in Limerick. People are lined up in the hallways on trolleys once again as the hospital in Clare has again been made idle in many areas.

People will die because of the cost cutting measure this man personally voted for, in what he knew was bad for our county but he knew was good for his own career (readin: his own pocketbook). He doesn't care though, blood on his hands or not, he is content in knowing he will be able to do what most of the FF members have been doing since they left office - moving to America to retire on a fat pension and let the country burn behind them. I personally don't know how he sleeps at night knowing he has voted multiple times on issues which have cost lives here in Clare, all in the name of saving a few bob so they can give it to banking speculators.

You really think this guy isn't human garbage? Wait until your grandmother dies waiting for an ambulance to come from Limerick to take her back to Limerick or your wife/mother/daughter ends up with breast cancer they diagnose as terminal because she had to wait so long on a list thanks to FF giving away the testing facilities to a private doctors office in Limerick. I'm betting you will change you mind then sure.
 

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I would like to also note he wasn't alone, the other FF TDs at the time from Clare also voted with him and the FF Breen did as well. I single out Dooley often, mainly because he goes out of his way to get on the news and almost every time he comes out making huge claims about helping the people of Clare, then constantly votes against the very thing he claims to support, alongside his fellow party members. Enough people of Clare must be falling for this routine since he continues to get elected.
 

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How so? He voted to move A&E services out of the entire county, after pledging to fight for them. He voted against the nurses, after protesting alongside them. He was against separating the DAA from Shannon. Remember when they took the women's cancer screening facilities out of Clare as well? He went on stage saying it was an outrage! Then later voted to do it.

That was a real kick in the teeth to the local community.

See, back in the 80's if you remember there was a lady here in Clare who was diagnosed with breast cancer. Because she was on the waiting list they didn't catch it until it had already become terminal. She spent her last days fund raising to get the equipment needed in the hospital here in Ennis so women of Clare would not have to wait for such screenings. She was involved in dozens of events in her final days all in efforts to raise money from private donors to get this much needed equipment. Right before she passed away she met the goal, and thanks to all the private donors they were able to open the unit in Ennis.

Cowen and FF then decided they wanted the machines moved to Limerick, so they could have TWO units there, and even more disgusting, they planned on giving the machine which that lady spent her final days obtaining to a PRIVATE hospital in Limerick. There was a huge protest in regards to this a couple years ago sure. You know what FF did? After the protest they said fine, we won't take the machines and move them to a private doctors office in Limerick, but we will move all the trained professionals who operate them there, which they did, and shuttered the unit. A few weeks later once no one was paying attention they brought in vans in the middle of the night and took all that equipment away, to that private hospital in Limerick.

That was FF and Dooley stood shoulder to shoulder with them while they did it and VOTED to do this alongside them even though during the protest he vowed to fight for the women of Clare. He never said boo about it when it was happening, nor did he say anything after they came and took it all away in the dead of night.

You think he is the best performing? He sold out the people of Clare time and time again to rise in his own parties ranks. He has now made sure people of Clare will DIE since there is no longer ambulance or A&E services in our county, this is already happening. Women of Clare again have to wait in line behind the ones in Limerick and now also Tipperary since all three counties have to share one hospital and services in Limerick. People are lined up in the hallways on trolleys once again as the hospital in Clare has again been made idle in many areas.

People will die because of the cost cutting measure this man personally voted for, in what he knew was bad for our county but he knew was good for his own career (readin: his own pocketbook). He doesn't care though, blood on his hands or not, he is content in knowing he will be able to do what most of the FF members have been doing since they left office - moving to America to retire on a fat pension and let the country burn behind them. I personally don't know how he sleeps at night knowing he has voted multiple times on issues which have cost lives here in Clare, all in the name of saving a few bob so they can give it to banking speculators.

You really think this guy isn't human garbage? Wait until your grandmother dies waiting for an ambulance to come from Limerick to take her back to Limerick or your wife/mother/daughter ends up with breast cancer they diagnose as terminal because she had to wait so long on a list thanks to FF giving away the testing facilities to a private doctors office in Limerick. I'm betting you will change you mind then sure.
You wont get an argument out of me on any of that but how are James Breen, Pat Carey ot McNamara in any way shape or form better, it was a minister from Castleknock that seperated Shannon from the DAA our own only said yea well done Leo.

Who was it here mentioned the lack of comment from any of them on the clocure of Woodstock
 

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I would like to also note he wasn't alone, the other FF TDs at the time from Clare also voted with him and the FF Breen did as well. I single out Dooley often, mainly because he goes out of his way to get on the news and almost every time he comes out making huge claims about helping the people of Clare, then constantly votes against the very thing he claims to support, alongside his fellow party members. Enough people of Clare must be falling for this routine since he continues to get elected.
Reminds me of the time when Tony Killeen 'marched with his people' to save the A&E in Ennis Hospital....then bended his knee in line with the party whip and voted with the government to close the A&E unit. FF thought so much of him, they then made him a minister!!
 

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Reminds me of the time when Tony Killeen 'marched with his people' to save the A&E in Ennis Hospital....then bended his knee in line with the party whip and voted with the government to close the A&E unit. FF thought so much of him, they then made him a minister!!
Killeen was just as bad sure! I also remember that. Good thing he is gone. He could have cared less, as they made him a Minister in the final days of office, so he got a huge Ministerial pension even though he was only a Minister for like a year, and all he had to do was continually sell us out for those pieces of silver.
 

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How does that disprove what I said?

The primary aim of the Revenue is to get as much tax as possible. It is clearly not in their interest to close a hotel down thus killing off any hope of getting paid. It is in their interest to wait around and receive payments in instalments if there is a prospect of that happening.
Not really, if to do so would encourage other businesses to delay payment.
 

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You wont get an argument out of me on any of that but how are James Breen, Pat Carey ot McNamara in any way shape or form better, it was a minister from Castleknock that seperated Shannon from the DAA our own only said yea well done Leo.
The FF way was to send everything to Dublin. Keeping Shannon locked to Dublin kept Dublin in charge of Shannon. That way they could continue to do things like impose fees for Shannon and NOT Dublin. They could continue to try and get new routes for Dublin, NOT Shannon, and build a new terminal in Dublin, NOT Shannon. What is sad is FG is not much better. Sure, they have finally gave Shannon their freedom but now they want to take the most profitable part, the part which was CREATED in Shannon and move it to Dublin. It would seem they are playing the long con here, take away all the financially profitable parts and send them to Dublin then cut it loose and watch it sink, then say 'hey look FF were right, but we at least tried'. Kinda like tying ones arms behind ones back and pushing them in the ocean and saying SWIM!

What really bothers me is you see FG on the news saying they helped eliminate 100 million in debt and all they ask in return is for Aer Rianta to be moved to Dublin. Sure Aer Rianta makes 400 million a year, if left in Shannon they could easily eliminate 100 million in debt and continue to bring in more profits to Shannon. FG is not talking about that though and sadly, many people are blissfully unaware the numbers here and think FG are being selfless.

They are doing the same as FF, but giving us the illusion of helping when in reality they are robbing one of the most important parts of Shannon and sending it to Dublin for a fraction of what it is worth. See, if they do that and then Shannon is off on it's own and fails, they will end up back under the DAA umbrella, this time with 400 million a year less than they started with. They are intent on crippling the airport in efforts to bring in more profits for Dublin and establish a clear power hierarchy in Shannon which begins and ends in Dublin.

I hope Shannon is able to surprise everyone and make it anyway, but lets not fool ourselves, FG has already stacked the deck against Shannon and our entire region in efforts to bolster profits in Dublin and are quietly laughing at us along with their FG elected representatives from Clare.

Who was it here mentioned the lack of comment from any of them on the clocure of Woodstock
Why would they? I am willing to bet money that none of them have even heard the news. The Woodstock isn't located in Dublin, so why would they give a shyte?
 

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What really bothers me is you see FG on the news saying they helped eliminate 100 million in debt and all they ask in return is for Aer Rianta to be moved to Dublin. Sure Aer Rianta makes 400 million a year, if left in Shannon they could easily eliminate 100 million in debt and continue to bring in more profits to Shannon.
Aer Rianta duty-free profits gain altitude despite turnover decline - The Irish Times - Sat, Nov 17, 2012

Aer Rianta make nothing like that. The link gives the profits. Being debt free is a small price to pay for letting Aer Rianta move to Dublin. It is sink or swim time for Shannon.
 

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CptSternn, you have gone gloriously off topic here. This thread is not an FG/FF bashing thread but about the future direction. The OP clearly sets out the assumption that the people in place are not fit for purpose and are trapped in the 80's style politics of say one thing to the electorate, do something else in government. All parties currently are guilty of this where/when they've been in power (including SF in the North in case something thinks I'm focusing solely on Lab/FG/FF in that line).

What I want this thread to do is look forward not backwards. What have the parties got to offer in future, will there be by improvement? Are the local media (print and radio) really independent? What personalities in Clare could prove good politicians and could they be convinced to run?

Just one thing I want to add on the past though. As a westy (with an ageing mother) I for one never bought into the hospital malarkey for one minute. The place was (haven't been there recently thank God) a death trap where the A&E doctors themselves said that they simply did not see enough patients to remain on top of their game. I for one would close the A&E totally and use the saved money for a primary care centre in Kilrush with serious cases being med-evacted to Galway/Limerick using the Shannon based coast guard helicopter.

Not enough past - what's ahead. Ye folk seem more clued into the party/personality scene on the ground. What have we to expect?
 

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What I want this thread to do is look forward not backwards. What have the parties got to offer in future, will there be by improvement? Are the local media (print and radio) really independent? What personalities in Clare could prove good politicians and could they be convinced to run?
None of the major parties have anything to offer. All seem to be focused on the affairs of Dublin and gaining more power. Not one has in the past decade shown any interest in what happens here. It would be nice to see a Socialist Party candidate here, or one of the other ULA parties, as they seem to be much more grounded in the politics of the areas from which they come.

As far as the media, I really don't have a problem with the local media. It all seems pretty well balanced here and having formerly been officially with a party for a number of years I can say from first hand experience all of the media outlets in Clare were more than happy to give any party and/or candidates their own platform if they bothered asking. They all, from the papers to the radio were very accommodating and very nice to work with. I can't say there was one I ever felt that showed any type of bias.

Just one thing I want to add on the past though. As a westy (with an ageing mother) I for one never bought into the hospital malarkey for one minute. The place was (haven't been there recently thank God) a death trap where the A&E doctors themselves said that they simply did not see enough patients to remain on top of their game. I for one would close the A&E totally and use the saved money for a primary care centre in Kilrush with serious cases being med-evacted to Galway/Limerick using the Shannon based coast guard helicopter.
It makes no sense not to have at least one hospital in the county with a 24 hour A&E, and it only makes sense to have that in the capital of the county, unless there is a more populated city in the county, and I don't think Kilrush is more populated than Ennis. I have been to the A&E in Ennis many times, most recently I was there last month and even though it could use a bit of work, it is by no means a death trap. If they would invest as much money into it as they have into these 'centres of excellence' we have heard so much about I am sure it would look a million times better and be even more efficient sure.
 

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None of the major parties have anything to offer. All seem to be focused on the affairs of Dublin and gaining more power. Not one has in the past decade shown any interest in what happens here. It would be nice to see a Socialist Party candidate here, or one of the other ULA parties, as they seem to be much more grounded in the politics of the areas from which they come.

As far as the media, I really don't have a problem with the local media. It all seems pretty well balanced here and having formerly been officially with a party for a number of years I can say from first hand experience all of the media outlets in Clare were more than happy to give any party and/or candidates their own platform if they bothered asking. They all, from the papers to the radio were very accommodating and very nice to work with. I can't say there was one I ever felt that showed any type of bias.

It makes no sense not to have at least one hospital in the county with a 24 hour A&E, and it only makes sense to have that in the capital of the county, unless there is a more populated city in the county, and I don't think Kilrush is more populated than Ennis. I have been to the A&E in Ennis many times, most recently I was there last month and even though it could use a bit of work, it is by no means a death trap. If they would invest as much money into it as they have into these 'centres of excellence' we have heard so much about I am sure it would look a million times better and be even more efficient sure.
Cheers for the reply and apologies if my earlier post sounds as if I was having a go at you, it wasn't intended as such at all. Where as I wouldn't see myself voting for the Socialists/ULA were they here I still would welcome another voice to the debate locally myself aye. It all seems a bit narrow. It's annoying in that if certain politicians did what they said they would I'd vote for them time and again but same individuals have been constant disappointments.

Also good to hear your take on the media in the county. I was a bit taken aback I must admit by the Clare People's Fianna Fáil piece this week that I posted earlier in the thread but if it's a regular thing they do for all parties I suppose it's okay then. You seem to have an ear on the ground so, any idea who those three lads mentioned in the article are, particularly the young lad from Kilrush? (as that would be my area)

The hospital thing is a bit divisive. I wouldn't advocate a hospital in Kilrush mind, I was talking about a primary care centre for west Clare. My opinion on Ennis A&E was formed by past experience and what doctors themselves had said (ie: they don't see enough cases each year in Ennis to consider themselves competent emergency medical practitioners). I'd always listen to them before a politician when it comes to medicine as most politicians haven't a clue. Anyway, we'll park that one as it's a bit of a done deal at this stage.
 

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I'd be an advocate of a primary care centre in Kilrush IF I was from Kilrush but I do think the idea of small local mini A & E units has merit, people will argue that the expertise will be too costly but surprisingly enough your scans are often analysed remotely by private companies.

As for going off topic I can’t see the harm in it really a lot of what has been mentions is relevant to Clare today and doesn't require a thread of its own

In moving forward I thing we will move back, Clare is a FF county in my view, I will even vote FF in the locals because they get the potholes filled etc etc etc, In 2014 if the government lasts that long, the election will see us back to two FFers at least 1 FG and after that who knows.
Like CptSternn says it would be nice to have an organised left wing candidate, I’d like to see Sinn Fein get their act together in the county too. I wonder what the Clare version of JHR would look like someone who doesn’t care about anything only the constituency and is in a position to get it.
From a personal point of view purely because he would be my nearest national politician I would like to see Martin Conway run independent FG but he won’t as he is a party man

PS people should not get excited abou the champion, people or clare fm they are fine for local gossip and death notices
 

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Found a way to get the article up. Not great quality but am wondering if they'll do all parties or are the People very pro-FF? Anyone able to shed any light on this?

Did a bit of digging and turned up these:

First fella:
Kilrush FF Cumann lays down a challenge to TDs

Second guy:
Eoin Neylon: Gays deserve equal rights -- not bigoted attacks and smears - Analysis, Opinion - Independent.ie
Republican roots - Letters, Opinion - Independent.ie

Third guy:
ElectionsIreland.org: Garrett Greene

They all have their twitters and the like but from the above they just come across as good party folk once again. Not much to add really to the pot if my reading of the above is correct. The last guy, Greene is the son of a former councillor to boot. Same story as the girl of the Keane's, Pat's daughter, they were promoting back west before.

Have SF got a decent candidate lined up? I've heard the name Anne Hayes being mentioned on the radio a couple time recently. Hopefully not the same one that was involved in Bord na nÓg Peil for years!

Labour seem to be loosing people hand over fist these days. Do they even exist in Clare any more (hopefully not).

That leaves FG. Any new blood coming through the ranks there or is the field too bloated for them?

What ever about independents? If we in Clare are going to be political trend setters like we were in the past and ditch the whole party political thing, who should we get to run for the ordinary guy?
 

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Yes it is the same Anne Hayes or so my dad says. He don't like her one bit as he is a gaa man and has come across her more then a few times. My disappointment with sf is the fact they went from running young candidates to a person of a ripe old age. Are sf losing young members to other republican groups or where have they gone. Also labour seem to be dead in the county and u say good riddance
 


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