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GDPR

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I'm sure most Dems wish she had.

Hillary and the Clintons are not going anywhere. They are like a bad rash which won't go away. I'm sure they are grooming Chelsea to run in 20somthing.

Its been only like 17 years since Bill was in the White House. Time for them to go away.
Do you have any thoughts on the Democratic Party rather than just on the Clintons?
 

valamhic

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Do you have any thoughts on the Democratic Party rather than just on the Clintons?
Hope they stay as they are for as long as possible, keep the creeps out. I never will forget the Trump response to her "Basket of Deplorables" outburst. It was class
 

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The Democratic Party may be bypassed, if it isn't already

Charles Blow in the New York Times thinks that there will be a new democratic party, based on the current groups actively opposing Don "Capone" Trump:

The New Democratic Party

The Democratic Party, or at least many of its highest-profile figureheads from the last election, is locked in a vicious cycle of re-examinations and recriminations. The latest of those is the controversial new political memoir, “Hacks: The Inside Story of the Break-ins and Breakdowns That Put Donald Trump in the White House,” by Donna Brazile, about serving as acting head of the Democratic National Committee during the last legs of the campaign.
The book is dishy on a personal level but damaging on a political level.

So, while the current Democratic Party leaders are peering at its navel, groups Blow collectively calls "Resistance" such as the Women's March and Indivisible are actively engaged in bring about political change:

The Resistance is strong and resolute, passionate and focused. The historic Women’s March has continued its work with a convention last month in Detroit. Resistance groups like Indivisible have continued their organizing and pressure. Indivisible now boasts that “across the nation, over 5,800 local groups (at least two in every congressional district) are using the Indivisible Guide to hold their members of Congress accountable.”

The only good news for the Dems is that:
…as CNN reported on Saturday, there is an overwhelming surge of Democratic women interested in running for office.


Blow describes the current Democratic Party as:
…a dinosaur of bureaucratic machinery in an evolved age of direct democratic action.

He concludes:
Liberalism has leapt over the Democratic Party. Liberalism has its eye on a new beginning, while the mainstream party is stuck looking backward and bickering. The Resistance isn’t part of the old Democratic Party; The Resistance is the new Democratic Party, or at least its future.

So, what will happen? Will all those women candidates revive the Dems, or will there be a new political party? Blow does not mention Bernie, but will he be part of a new group?

If we are seeing the end of the Dems as a political party, will those new groups get together? If they don't then they will allow the GOP to keep on ruling the USA.
 

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And there are serious financial problems. After Obama's win in 2012 the Dems were in debt and at one point did not have enough money to pay staff. They owed US$20 million. HRC paid this debt and also paid both state organisations and Federal candidates money from her fundraising. Bernie chose to pay nothing, keeping his donations for his own use, and so did Obama(!).


What do you think?
Grace this is where you need to be truthful with yourself. Rich and poor Democrats across the U.S paid off the debt, candidate Clinton merely controlled the valve to guarantee compliance.
 

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Grace this is where you need to be truthful with yourself. Rich and poor Democrats across the U.S paid off the debt, candidate Clinton merely controlled the valve to guarantee compliance.
Did you notice the word "fundraising"? Also note that Bernie Sanders fundraised even more than HRC did but he chose to keep all his donations to himself. He did not give a penny to any other Democratic candidate either at state and federal level.
 

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Obamas Democratic part will never be in power again, thankfully.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VecswXsN08
Victor Hanson is an ultra right-wing professor of military history who is registered as a Democrat, but who votes for Republican candidates. A wolf in sheep's clothing - to coin a phrase. The 2018 elections will be important for the Democrats. If they take back the House it will be the first step toward electing a Democrat as president in 2020.
 

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There’s a serious gerrymandering problem currently favouring the GOP at both state and federal level which may may be resolved by a case currently being considered by the Supreme Court.
The democratic party are well used to the art of gerrymandering too. Just ask Bernie Sanders
 

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They'll survive, but having Hillary as a candidate was a horrible self-inflicted wound that will take a long time to heal.
 

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Victor Hanson is an ultra right-wing professor of military history who is registered as a Democrat, but who votes for Republican candidates. A wolf in sheep's clothing - to coin a phrase. The 2018 elections will be important for the Democrats. If they take back the House it will be the first step toward electing a Democrat as president in 2020.
There are many sensible people at the right-wing magazine National Review and you would think a distinguished Professor of Classics would be one of them. Such is not the case. Hanson has become blinded by his hatred of the Democrats, especially Obama for some reason, and the SJWs of the universities. He's barely rational at this point.
 

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Donald Trump - an incompetent, inexperienced, misogynist, male candidate - defeated Hillary Clinton - a competent, experienced, female candidate - for the most powerful political post in the world in the recent US presidential election with the support of the majority of white women in the electorate.

Historical stuff.
 

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Donald Trump - an incompetent, inexperienced, misogynist, male candidate - defeated Hillary Clinton - a competent, experienced, female candidate - for the most powerful political post in the world in the recent US presidential election with the support of the majority of white women in the electorate.

Historical stuff.
Indeed.

Do you think the media may have had some sort of impact here?
 

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They'll survive, but having Hillary as a candidate was a horrible self-inflicted wound that will take a long time to heal.
The US has had to endure the shady Clintons for 40 years now and 1year on from Hilary Clinton's Presidential election defeat, the US and the Democrats are still being bludgeoned by them.
Bill was elected as Governor of Arkansas on the backlash to the Watergate scandal and now Hilary has been rejected on the backlash to the Clinton Foundation scandal. She should go quietly and allow the US and the Democrats to move on.
 

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Did Obama leave office as one of the "most popular Presidents in American history."

All I was hearing at the time was that he would go down with the likes of Harding and Pierce.
 

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She needs to go and take Steny Hoyer, Jim Clyburn and Maxine Waters with her. They are all in their 70s and it's time to pass the torch to a new generation.

Pelosi is good at fundraising but not much else. As the first female Speaker, her place in history is assured but it's time to give a younger restless caucus a chance.
That's not quite true. One of the reasons Trump gets so little done is that Pelosi is phenomenally good at keeping her party united. Now part of that is uniting against Trump, but not all. To compare, after 2008, and even in the majority after 2010, the GOP House caucus were hopelessly split. Even their unifying hatred of Obama couldn't keep them on the same page.

Both Pelosi and Schumer have been effective in opposition because they've managed to keep their parties in step.

Pelosi's strengths are in fundraising, but she's also good at the old school tactics of the House - keeping her party in step while using whatever means she can to divide her opponents.
 

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