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The Germans Are Really Too Good - That’s Why People Conspire Against Them (JFK)


YouKnowWhatIMeanLike

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Interesting piece of history in the independent last week. Was John FKennedy a Adolf Hitler admirer?

While touring Germany and visiting the river Rhine in 1937 John F Kennedy notes: “Very beautiful, because there are many castles along the route. The towns are all charming which shows that the Nordic races appear to be definitely superior to their Latin counterparts. The Germans are really too good – that’s why people conspire against them – they do it to protect themselves.”

and he goes on to state

"I have come to the conclusion that fascism is right for Germany and Italy. What are the evils of fascism compared to communism?"
 

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Sounds a bit of a sensationalist article, IMO.

Many people were admiring, whether publicly or in private, of what fascism was believed to be able to accomplish. Churchill spoke admiringly of Mussolini in the '30s and I don't think anyone would accuse Churchill today of being pro-fascist.

Kennedy’s writings do not reveal whether he was influenced by his anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi father Joseph, who was US ambassador to London in the late 1930s and regarded by the Nazis as “Germany’s best friend in London”.
Pro-Nazi is too strong a term - he definitely thought Britain was done and it was best for the US to adjust to that fact. As it turned out, history proved him wrong, but it was not an unreasonable assumption to make at the time.

As for the anti-semitic bit, as in, more so than mainstream belief in the US at the time, where Jewish-Americans were prominent in many parts of American life but still couldn't join many country clubs?
 
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on a lighter note apparently it was British manufacturing companies that brought in the rule about "Made in Germany" in the 19th C , it then became a selling point :D I hope this isn't an urban myth
 

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JFK's father certainly was an admirer of Hitler and an anti semite. I didn't think his son espoused the same warped views on Hitler and Jewish people.
 

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Churchill spoke admiringly of Mussolini in the '30s and I don't think anyone would accuse Churchill today of being pro-fascist.
''I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.''
Yes, that doesn't sound fascist at all.
 

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Pro-Nazi is too strong a term - he definitely thought Britain was done and it was best for the US to adjust to that fact. As it turned out, history proved him wrong, but it was not an unreasonable assumption to make at the time.
What a principled man.
 

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Sounds a bit of a sensationalist article, IMO.

Many people were admiring, whether publicly or in private, of what fascism was believed to be able to accomplish. Churchill spoke admiringly of Mussolini in the '30s and I don't think anyone would accuse Churchill today of being pro-fascist.



Pro-Nazi is too strong a term - he definitely thought Britain was done and it was best for the US to adjust to that fact. As it turned out, history proved him wrong, but it was not an unreasonable assumption to make at the time.

As for the anti-semitic bit, as in, more so than mainstream belief in the US at the time, where Jewish-Americans were prominent in many parts of American life but still couldn't join many country clubs?
I'd agree with you here. Hindsight is a dangerous thing and is itself revisionism. Trying to argue that fascism is a good thing is an uphill battle ( not that I'd do so ), but pre-holocaust, fascism and anti-semitism was not seen as "A Bad Thing" by the majority of politicians, Even if they disagreed in private, it would have been politically expedient to keep an "open mind", at least in public.

H.G. Wells was considered a radical in his own time because of his views on equality for African-Americans, but reading his opinions today, and judging those opinions by today's standards, it'd be easy to assume that he'd have little problem with putting a freshly-washed pillowcase over his head.

People can only be judged by the attitudes of their time, not by the attitude of our time.
 

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there always was an obsession in the Dumbocratic party with race....
 

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JFK's father certainly was an admirer of Hitler and an anti semite. I didn't think his son espoused the same warped views on Hitler and Jewish people.
Nope his father played the Jews at their own game and beat them at it so they labeled him with the usual anti semite rubbish.
 

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Only if you take a definition of fascism that's so broad as to be utterly meaningless.
Nope. Ever hear of Ethnocentrism?
Fascist movements emphasise this.
 

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Interesting piece of history in the independent last week. Was John FKennedy a Adolf Hitler admirer?

While touring Germany and visiting the river Rhine in 1937 John F Kennedy notes: “Very beautiful, because there are many castles along the route. The towns are all charming which shows that the Nordic races appear to be definitely superior to their Latin counterparts. The Germans are really too good – that’s why people conspire against them – they do it to protect themselves.”

and he goes on to state

"I have come to the conclusion that fascism is right for Germany and Italy. What are the evils of fascism compared to communism?"

The Kennedy sons were just clones of the father, who was a well-know supporter of a German victory. It is not surprising that JFK shared his views. In fact Catholics everywhere , especiially rich Catholics supported Hitler. It is a tribute to successful rewriting of history that anyone is now surprised.

when Mitterenad dubious war time record was exposed , he shrugged and said as muc, ie he was a bourgeoius Catholic in the 30's , all bourgeouis cCatholics were supporters iof Fascism, why was anyone surprised?
 

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The Kennedy sons were just clones of the father, who was a well-know supporter of a German victory. It is not surprising that JFK shared his views. In fact Catholics everywhere , especiially rich Catholics supported Hitler. It is a tribute to successful rewriting of history that anyone is now surprised.

when Mitterenad dubious war time record was exposed , he shrugged and said as muc, ie he was a bourgeoius Catholic in the 30's , all bourgeouis cCatholics were supporters iof Fascism, why was anyone surprised?
Not only Rich Catholics - British establishment had a strange 'regard' for Herr Hitler before his madness became fully apparent and if you analyse it you can see why.

We are talking 1930's - a mere 20 years since 'the elite and the wealthy' had everything stripped from them in Russia, over those 20 years people had seen the emergence of Communist parties throughout the world. Several european countries had brief period of communist rule in the late 19-teens and early 20s and the establishment was rattled.

Germany and Italy near enough created a wall down the middle of europe, so why wouldnt the establishment, industrialists etc be supportive of fascism in both countries prior to atrocities becoming public knowledge.

Its very easy to moralise long after the event.
 

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Not only Rich Catholics - British establishment had a strange 'regard' for Herr Hitler before his madness became fully apparent and if you analyse it you can see why.

We are talking 1930's - a mere 20 years since 'the elite and the wealthy' had everything stripped from them in Russia, over those 20 years people had seen the emergence of Communist parties throughout the world. Several european countries had brief period of communist rule in the late 19-teens and early 20s and the establishment was rattled.

Germany and Italy near enough created a wall down the middle of europe, so why wouldnt the establishment, industrialists etc be supportive of fascism in both countries prior to atrocities becoming public knowledge.

Its very easy to moralise long after the event.
Indeed.

In the context of the time Bolshevism represented an existential threat to central/western Europe.
Even in countries like the United States, Bolshevism gained some political traction between 1917-1939.
The threat from Bolshevism was real and present in the context of that timeframe.
 

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The Germans, with the exception of 1933-1945, are great. Diligent, smart, hard working and what I would love Irish people to have, punctuality.
 

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Nope his father played the Jews at their own game and beat them at it so they labeled him with the usual anti semite rubbish.
Did he take away a few quid that they had heading for them? Or was it that he didn't bow to zionism?
 

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OP left out the best part:

"Anyone who has visited these places can imagine how in a few years, Hitler will emerge from the hate that now surrounds him and come to be regarded as one of the most significant figures ever to have lived.”

“There was something mysterious about the way he lived and died which will outlive him and continue to flourish. He was made of the stuff of legends.”

JFK
 
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