The Government has a majority of 3, not 2

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And if there isn't a tie, what way does he vote?
I'm making the point that his vote can be guaranteed for the government and that, technically, the majority is 3.

It's possible that we could have a tied vote, in which case the CC will side with the government. So the majority is really 3, not 2.
 


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Last election FF had 77 plus the CC.

Flynn goes from Ind to FF (78)
Brennan dies (77)
Behan resigns (76)
McDaid loses whip (75)
Gallagher becomes MEP (74)
Devins and Scanlon resign whip (72)
Cullen resigns from Dail (71)
McGrath loses whip (70)
Losing the whip is just political theatre, they will side with government on budget day.
 

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I'm making the point that his vote can be guaranteed for the government and that, technically, the majority is 3.

It's possible that we could have a tied vote, in which case the CC will side with the government. So the majority is really 3, not 2.
No, his vote can't be guaranteed for the government, because he can only cast it in the event of a tie. Look at it this way - if 2 government TDs vote against the government, they lose. So how can their majority be 3?
 

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Does any one have a bloody clue on who is in the dail as so afr all the nos are wrong.
 

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No, his vote can't be guaranteed for the government, because he can only cast it in the event of a tie. Look at it this way - if 2 government TDs vote against the government, they lose. So how can their majority be 3?
Of course.

But if only one jumps ship, and we have 81 versus 81, the CC will vote with the government.
 

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No, his vote can't be guaranteed for the government, because he can only cast it in the event of a tie. Look at it this way - if 2 government TDs vote against the government, they lose. So how can their majority be 3?
Thats what I said at the start ;)

And i meant whose numbers were right? breakingnews's or trop's?

Perhaps we should bring in the away goals rule? if the Govt draw, they win
 

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Of course.

But if only one jumps ship, and we have 81 versus 81, the CC will vote with the government.
So if one TD jumps ship, they survive with the CC's vote. If two jump ship, they lose. How is that a majority of 3?
 

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Thats what I said at the start ;)

And i meant whose numbers were right? breakingnews's or trop's?
The numbers are:

Govt: 70 FF, 6 Greens, Harney, 3 "non-whip" FF (Devins, Scanlan and Mattie McGrath), Lowry, and Healy-Rae. Total 82.

Opposition: 51 FG, 20 Labour, 5 SF - plus Finian McGrath, O'Sullivan, Behan and Grealish. Total 80.
 

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Right, I see what you mean now.

But I just wanted to make the point that the CC will always vote with the government!
Indeed, though he can only cast that vote in the event of a tie.
 

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Lowry and Rae have already said they're jumping as they're a bit more politically mature over the Greens. So why won't they jump now. They can't get a Casino and By-pass in the next few blooming weeks can they?.
 

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It was suggested on Week in Poltics tonight that Trevor Sargeant forced the hand of Gormley saying 'he could not stand this another day' re: the GP being a bit pregnant sinc last Monday.

Maybe Sargeant might jump??? (Some hope I know)

I could see that happening, don't think he is a natural FF bedfellow unlike planet windbag. Also he is one that has a chance of being re-elected.


This point was well put the other day, In order to save hides they don't need to jump too high, they are at 2% now, 5% would be a great day for them so thats 3 in 100 people


A week is a long time in politics, if the 'markets' don't react well, this could happen
They really should do it. I am not in Ireland and it does not effect me directly, but this is not only a very bad deal, it is a deal that will not work, It is an expensive waste of more money.

There are plenty of reasons to make a stand. If they came out and said sorry NO in the interests of the country we are not supporting I think they would get one hell of a bounce. They would certainly get serious coverage.

Would solve the arithmetic,
 

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Lowry and Rae have already said they're jumping as they're a bit more politically mature over the Greens. So why won't they jump now. They can't get a Casino and By-pass in the next few blooming weeks can they?.
Even if they did, I don't believe the punters would have anything to put on black or red in the casino.

I believe if a few kerry folk ram home to JHR that stooooodents are the lifeblood and that 2000euro is a lot of money and more 'impartently ' votes, he will know that the FF cow is udderly useless now

Lowry isn't thick, he asked FG to pass a budget he won't be passing himself, let's see how thick they are (still unsure until i hear it from Noonan)
 

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Maybe if we tell Lowry he can build his fecking Casino and Rae can have a flippin by_pass they might actually consider it for the sake of the bloody country otherwise the only gambling Lowry will get is will i go out the front or back door when the lynch mob turn up and Raes by-pass will be a coronary one when they string him up in Kerry.
 

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Not to worry, we can worry ourselves tomorrow, there will be a few more twists in this vicious and sorry tale yet, of that i am sure
 

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The CC won't ever vote against the government though? Therefore, he's a guaranteed vote for the government side - majority is 3.
as HBAP explain its not 3 is 2, or if you want to be piniciting, 2.1 or 2.9, but not three.

he only votes when theres a tie. Its 82 v 80. If 2 FF are sick and no shows its 80 v 80 and he has vote, if 3 are sick and its 79 v 80, his vote isn't counted - so its NOT 3.
 

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Lowry and Rae have already said they're jumping as they're a bit more politically mature over the Greens. So why won't they jump now. They can't get a Casino and By-pass in the next few blooming weeks can they?.
"Mature" is not a word I ever expected to see in the same sentence referencing a corrupt scumbag and an inbred.
 

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Isn't it all academic now? FG won't bring down the government on the budget. Once the budget passes, the Greeens plug the(ir) life support plug.
 
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If some FF TD was half wise he/she would do a deal to join Labour or FG now and run under that banner in the election. Seat saving move.

For the good of the country of course.

FF is toast anyway after the election so might as well get in there first if you want a career in politics.
 


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