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The Halfaya 'bakery massacre' in Syria - An excellent stunt in the Syrian propaganda war


Grizzly

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Initial reports of an airstrike on a bakery in Syria were met by howls of outrage across the world.

Reuters reported that:
Dozens of people were killed in an air strike while queuing for bread in Syria's central Hama province on Sunday, activists said, with some residents giving an initial count of 90 dead..... "When I got there, I could see piles of bodies all over the ground. There were women and children," said Samer al-Hamawi, an activist.... Note1
Of course, none of this was independently verified as Reuters do not have a team on the ground. Therefore they are relying on reports from what they describe as "activists", namely rebel fighters such as the one quoted above.

Several days after the attack, the FSA confirmed 23 people died in the attack. All of them were men.

Now the BBC have even begun to doubt the events with Lebanon correspondent Jim Muir noting that:
"It is not out of the question that regime jets managed to strike a concentration of rebel fighters..."Note2
On top of that, initial footage released to media outlets should have raised suspicion immediately. The original raw footage clearly shows that all of the dead and injured are men of fighting age who are either armed or wearing army fatigues. There is no footage to suggest the building is a bakery and at one point (9.42 in the video) a fresh piece of bread is clearly thrown into a pool of blood. A clear attempt to make it appear as if a bakery was targeted.

The Syrian government meanwhile, has said the attack was a 'terrorist attack' and not carried out by its troops.

The damage is very light for an alleged airstrike, and as ex-Scotland Yard detective and counter-terrorism officer Charles Shoebridge suggests, was this a rebel arms dump accidental explosion dressed up as an airstrike on civilians to gain sympathy?

And why did the mass media, despite having very questionable raw footage, continue to peddle the line that this was some sort of massacre against civilians despite no conclusive proof?
 


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I thought that the story was that the town was rebel held and that food supplies were scarce, but that a consignment of flour had just got through ?
 

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Any chance this could have been Israel rather than Assad? Wouldn't be the first time they intervened in a civil war in a neighbouring country as a pretext to attack Palestinian refugees, as Sabra-Chatilla showed in 1982.
 

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Initial reports of an airstrike on a bakery in Syria were met by howls of outrage across the world.

Reuters reported that:


Of course, none of this was independently verified as Reuters do not have a team on the ground. Therefore they are relying on reports from what they describe as "activists", namely rebel fighters such as the one quoted above.

Several days after the attack, the FSA confirmed 23 people died in the attack. All of them were men.

Now the BBC have even begun to doubt the events with Lebanon correspondent Jim Muir noting that:
On top of that, initial footage released to media outlets should have raised suspicion immediately. The original raw footage clearly shows that all of the dead and injured are men of fighting age who are either armed or wearing army fatigues. There is no footage to suggest the building is a bakery and at one point (9.42 in the video) a fresh piece of bread is clearly thrown into a pool of blood. A clear attempt to make it appear as if a bakery was targeted.

The Syrian government meanwhile, has said the attack was a 'terrorist attack' and not carried out by its troops.

The damage is very light for an alleged airstrike, and as ex-Scotland Yard detective and counter-terrorism officer Charles Shoebridge suggests, was this a rebel arms dump accidental explosion dressed up as an airstrike on civilians to gain sympathy?

And why did the mass media, despite having very questionable raw footage, continue to peddle the line that this was some sort of massacre against civilians despite no conclusive proof?
One or two bodies blown in two...suicide bomb anyone?
 

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Any chance this could have been Israel rather than Assad? Wouldn't be the first time they intervened in a civil war in a neighbouring country as a pretext to attack Palestinian refugees, as Sabra-Chatilla showed in 1982.
Jaysis.

A thread about whether a massacre of civilians happened at all...and you wonder whether someone else entirely carried out the massacre!

Sometimes all one can do, despite the alleged carnage, is laugh.
 

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Watch the American media for clues. If they are ignoring the doubts BBC and Scotland Yard have flagged then you can surmise this is a false flag to benefit certain countries.

The present regime is dreadful, but I wouldn't want to be Christian if the other crowd get in.
 

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Most of the reporting - particularly by BBC and Sky - come straight out of MI6 HQ. No attempt whatsoever to tell the truth.

Massacres of Christians and Alawites - sometimes whole families - by the fundementalist 'rebels' (sic) are routinely ignored.
 

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Most of the reporting - particularly by BBC and Sky - come straight out of MI6 HQ. No attempt whatsoever to tell the truth.

Massacres of Christians and Alawites - sometimes whole families - by the fundementalist 'rebels' (sic) are routinely ignored.
True. I saw an RT report some months ago that most of the formerly largely-Christian town of Homs have been expelled by the rebels.
 

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Any chance this could have been Israel rather than Assad? Wouldn't be the first time they intervened in a civil war in a neighbouring country as a pretext to attack Palestinian refugees, as Sabra-Chatilla showed in 1982.
You really really lost it!

Seriously!
 

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Watch the American media for clues. If they are ignoring the doubts BBC and Scotland Yard have flagged then you can surmise this is a false flag to benefit certain countries.

The present regime is dreadful, but I wouldn't want to be Christian if the other crowd get in.
What a despicable racist thing to say!
 

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Initial reports of an airstrike on a bakery in Syria were met by howls of outrage across the world.

Reuters reported that:


Of course, none of this was independently verified as Reuters do not have a team on the ground. Therefore they are relying on reports from what they describe as "activists", namely rebel fighters such as the one quoted above.

Several days after the attack, the FSA confirmed 23 people died in the attack. All of them were men.

Now the BBC have even begun to doubt the events with Lebanon correspondent Jim Muir noting that:
On top of that, initial footage released to media outlets should have raised suspicion immediately. The original raw footage clearly shows that all of the dead and injured are men of fighting age who are either armed or wearing army fatigues. There is no footage to suggest the building is a bakery and at one point (9.42 in the video) a fresh piece of bread is clearly thrown into a pool of blood. A clear attempt to make it appear as if a bakery was targeted.

The Syrian government meanwhile, has said the attack was a 'terrorist attack' and not carried out by its troops.

The damage is very light for an alleged airstrike, and as ex-Scotland Yard detective and counter-terrorism officer Charles Shoebridge suggests, was this a rebel arms dump accidental explosion dressed up as an airstrike on civilians to gain sympathy?

And why did the mass media, despite having very questionable raw footage, continue to peddle the line that this was some sort of massacre against civilians despite no conclusive proof?
I think it is right to be sceptical of atrocity stories until confirmed by an authoritative neutral source.

It is clear that a vicious civil war is taking place in Syria and there have been atrocities by both sides. My impression (true or not) is that most of these have been perpetrated by the regime. It is already know to be brutally repressive so a continuation of that is no surprise.

The most worrying sign to date is that the regime may use chemical weapons.
 

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Any chance this could have been Israel rather than Assad? Wouldn't be the first time they intervened in a civil war in a neighbouring country as a pretext to attack Palestinian refugees, as Sabra-Chatilla showed in 1982.
Of course it was Israel, Bloody Sunday was them as well (they've planned it before Israel become a state.
Here's a link:
http://somedoodgywebsite.com/fakereport.html
And a Tweet:
http://twitter.com/#Israelistoblame

There I was trying to read about a neighboring country in good faith and in search for information, and Israel gets a mention as part of someone's agenda (Thankfully it's the same child everytime who sticks Israel in).

Mayb, if you mention Israel often enough you might convince yourself.
You Jew lover, you!
DE, Allow me to send you an IDF T-Shirt:
 
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What a despicable racist thing to say!
How is it racist Hasbara-boy? The Christians of Homs have largely been expelled according to RT, and Assad is seen by many Syrian minorities including Christians as the lesser of two evils.
 

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How is it racist Hasbara-boy? The Christians of Homs have largely been expelled according to RT, and Assad is seen by many Syrian minorities including Christians as the lesser of two evils.
The fact that you seems to describe them as good and bad arabs is racist.
Repeat after me, "There are no bad arabs, only bad Israelis!"
 

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The fact that you seems to describe them as good and bad arabs is racist.
Repeat after me, "There are no bad arabs, only bad Israelis!"
There are good Israelis too like there were a minority of good Germans/Italians/Japanese in the 1930s-40s who stood against the aggressive expansionism of their respective govts. I would count Gideon Levy as one such example of a good Israeli. Yehuda Elkana was another.
 

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Syrian Civil War tinfoil hatters are amusing really. The Syrian government has an ignoble record of attacking bread queues is a characteristic incident(10 incidents before that one):

Syria: Government Attacking Bread Lines | Human Rights Watch

Warfare makes life dangerous. Men and boys were queuing for a reason. Could the tin foil hats be left down for Christmas? Please.
 

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There are good Israelis too like there were a minority of good Germans/Italians/Japanese in the 1930s-40s who stood against the aggressive expansionism of their respective govts. I would count Gideon Levy as one such example of a good Israeli. Yehuda Elkana was another.
What an outrages remark from you, shame on you for using Good and Israelis in the same sentence.
How dare you? Did Hasbara/Mossad agents get to you?

You're flipping, aren't you :)
Welcome to the other side, it's not as bad as one might think:)

BTW, Funny that you've mentioned Gideon Levi, here's an opinion column that he posted recently in Haaretz (no mention in the English version as it is aimed at another kind of readers. but you can use Google translate, he basically say that he rather have Bibi as the prime minister (I'll conveniently leave the rest of the contents of the article as you tend to do):

http://www.haaretz.co.il/opinions/1.1854411

Here's the translation in case you can't find Zionist in the Language drop down menu:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http://www.haaretz.co.il/opinions/1.1854411
 
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The number one source of terrorism in the Middle East is an important ally of the West, which is unaccountable, and which is very two faced in how it approaches international relations, and relations with it's neighbours. It is also highly hypocritical.

And it has massive influence in the west, in financial markets. It expects reference from anybody who wants to further their career in the media.



It is ......

SAUDI ARABIA.

As Michael Moore pointed out in his film Fahrenheit 9/11, Saudi Arabia is never properly taken to task with respect to the terrorism that comes from it's fundamentalist aristocratic regime.
 

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Initial reports of an airstrike on a bakery in Syria were met by howls of outrage across the world.

Reuters reported that:


Of course, none of this was independently verified as Reuters do not have a team on the ground. Therefore they are relying on reports from what they describe as "activists", namely rebel fighters such as the one quoted above.

Several days after the attack, the FSA confirmed 23 people died in the attack. All of them were men.

Now the BBC have even begun to doubt the events with Lebanon correspondent Jim Muir noting that:
On top of that, initial footage released to media outlets should have raised suspicion immediately. The original raw footage clearly shows that all of the dead and injured are men of fighting age who are either armed or wearing army fatigues. There is no footage to suggest the building is a bakery and at one point (9.42 in the video) a fresh piece of bread is clearly thrown into a pool of blood. A clear attempt to make it appear as if a bakery was targeted.

The Syrian government meanwhile, has said the attack was a 'terrorist attack' and not carried out by its troops.

The damage is very light for an alleged airstrike, and as ex-Scotland Yard detective and counter-terrorism officer Charles Shoebridge suggests, was this a rebel arms dump accidental explosion dressed up as an airstrike on civilians to gain sympathy?

And why did the mass media, despite having very questionable raw footage, continue to peddle the line that this was some sort of massacre against civilians despite no conclusive proof?
Hold on one second. Syria says it was a terrorist attack on a bakery, while the FSA says it was a Syrian army attack on a bakery. Yet you're suggesting it was a Syrian army attack on terrorists. Why didn't Syria use that excuse then?
 

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Hold on one second. Syria says it was a terrorist attack on a bakery, while the FSA says it was a Syrian army attack on a bakery. Yet you're suggesting it was a Syrian army attack on terrorists. Why didn't Syria use that excuse then?
The Syrian government didn't use the word bakery.

When asked about the bombing they said it must have been a terrorist attack as they had not engaged anybody there.
 

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