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The Heave Against Cowen?


jmcc

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When will Fianna Fail dispose of the failure Cowen? Now that Lenihan's cancer has "stabilised" will he be the king-maker in any move to dispose of Cowen as taoiseach? And most importantly, who is best placed to succeed Cowen?

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cjudge

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What is the Parliamentary Party doing in the Ardilaun Hotel for three days?

When will Fianna Fail dispose of the failure Cowen? Now that Lenihan's cancer has "stabilised" will he be the king-maker in any move to dispose of Cowen as taoiseach? And most importantly, who is best placed to succeed Cowen?

Regards...jmcc
Sorry jmcc for this tangent to your thread, but I am too much of a newbie here to be allowed to start a thread, or PM anybody, or etc etc - and this seems pertinent.

From what I hear, Lenihan's health has not stabilised, and he will not be in any position to depose Cowen personally.

I believe there was something on the radio today about the Parliamentary Party having an urgent and very hush 3 day meeting in the Ardilaun Hotel in Galway. I didn't hear it, but have found out that the hotel has been cleared, traffic diverted and that the local residents have been complaining that the expense of such a meeting, security, state cars etc is a disgrace.

It is curious that such a meeting is not taking place in Dublin, where the details of the budget were hammered out in secrecy. The rumour is that there is talk of a coalition between FF and FG......

Anyone here know anything about this?
 
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Sorry jmcc for this tangent to your thread, but I am too much of a newbie here to be allowed to start a thread, or PM anybody, or etc etc - and this seems pertinent.

From what I hear, Lenihan's health has not stabilised, and he will not be in any position to depose Cowen personally.

I believe there was something on the radio today about the Parliamentary Party having an urgent and very hush 3 day meeting in the Ardilaun Hotel in Galway. I didn't hear it, but have found out that the hotel has been cleared, traffic diverted and that the local residents have been complaining that the expense of such a meeting, security, state cars etc is a disgrace.

It is curious that such a meeting is not taking place in Dublin, where the details of the budget were hammered out in secrecy. The rumour is that there is talk of a coalition between FF and FG......

Anyone here know anything about this?
Ya - definitely on the cards and Enda `No Taxes, No Cuts´ Kenny is to be MoF:roll:
 

FakeViking

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It's no secret. FF (and all other parties) have a think-in at the end of the (ridiculously long) summer vacation. FF own the public service, so they can order things to suit themselves, including banning the hoi polloi from the vicinity of where they get legless. At your expense, of course. Crisis? What crisis.
 

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Sorry jmcc for this tangent to your thread, but I am too much of a newbie here to be allowed to start a thread, or PM anybody, or etc etc - and this seems pertinent.

From what I hear, Lenihan's health has not stabilised, and he will not be in any position to depose Cowen personally.

I believe there was something on the radio today about the Parliamentary Party having an urgent and very hush 3 day meeting in the Ardilaun Hotel in Galway. I didn't hear it, but have found out that the hotel has been cleared, traffic diverted and that the local residents have been complaining that the expense of such a meeting, security, state cars etc is a disgrace.

It is curious that such a meeting is not taking place in Dublin, where the details of the budget were hammered out in secrecy. The rumour is that there is talk of a coalition between FF and FG......

Anyone here know anything about this?
Nothing sinister. A quick search of google turned up this piece from the galway news of 25th August 2010. It's the 'think-in' where FF do thinkin.

Labour bring battle to FF and Greens ? with phone campaign about the cuts | Connacht Tribune | galwaynews.ie
Fianna Fail will be holding a two-day Parliamentary Party meeting in the Ardilaun House Hotel in Galway on September 11-12, but now has come word that Labour will be holding a think-in seminar in Roscommon the same week, and Labour will also hold a major policy launch in October in Castlebar, dealing with issues like the need for investment in the west.
 

jmcc

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Sorry jmcc for this tangent to your thread, but I am too much of a newbie here to be allowed to start a thread, or PM anybody, or etc etc - and this seems pertinent.

From what I hear, Lenihan's health has not stabilised, and he will not be in any position to depose Cowen personally.
Well he's been saying that it has stabilised but he would be seen as the king-maker in any move against Cowen.

I believe there was something on the radio today about the Parliamentary Party having an urgent and very hush 3 day meeting in the Ardilaun Hotel in Galway.
It may have been the Fianna Fail 'think-in'. Fine Gael seem to have had one earlier this week.

It is curious that such a meeting is not taking place in Dublin, where the details of the budget were hammered out in secrecy. The rumour is that there is talk of a coalition between FF and FG......
A national government? That would be news if the rumour was correct.

Regards...jmcc
 

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Sorry jmcc for this tangent to your thread, but I am too much of a newbie here to be allowed to start a thread, or PM anybody, or etc etc - and this seems pertinent.

From what I hear, Lenihan's health has not stabilised, and he will not be in any position to depose Cowen personally.

I believe there was something on the radio today about the Parliamentary Party having an urgent and very hush 3 day meeting in the Ardilaun Hotel in Galway. I didn't hear it, but have found out that the hotel has been cleared, traffic diverted and that the local residents have been complaining that the expense of such a meeting, security, state cars etc is a disgrace.

It is curious that such a meeting is not taking place in Dublin, where the details of the budget were hammered out in secrecy. The rumour is that there is talk of a coalition between FF and FG......

Anyone here know anything about this?
AFAIK its their annual summer think in: the Ardilaun is a nice quiet place for such a thing, well away from the city centre and with large grounds so any protestors would be out of earshot; there has been speculation in today's Sindo that the so-called Lenihan faction might make a bid to challenge Cowen's leadership of the party there.
 

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Apart from Lenihan, who have they got to succeed the Biffoon?
They might come back with around 50 seats if lenihan was their capi des toutes des capis, pardon my Eyetallion, if Lenihan waits, he will be Taoiseach in 2017 or thereabouts with a nice majority! Why, because his party have made such a living S of the country, the next government, a coalition of 2 identically opposite parties will not be able to fix it, ala the 1982-87 one!
 

Rocket Man

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When will Fianna Fail dispose of the failure Cowen? Now that Lenihan's cancer has "stabilised" will he be the king-maker in any move to dispose of Cowen as taoiseach? And most importantly, who is best placed to succeed Cowen?

Regards...jmcc
I don't believe there will be any move against Cowen.
Lenihan's health will not allow him to make a challenge and anybody else would be crazy to do so.
Why would they lead the party into certain defeat?

The question as to who will lead the party post election, however, is an interesting one.
The field could be narrowed quite cosiderably depending on how bad a defeat occurs.
I would say the contest is still between Ahern and Martin.
Ahern has more substance but does not have a strong support base in the party. For this reason I would suspect that Martin will make it.

Of course all of this would change if Lenihan were to make a recovery. In this scenario he would be a certainty.
 

cjudge

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Hmmm. Thanks for that - it would have been too much to hope for, the idea that they would look beyond party politics in the interests of the country.

So, back to topic. Yes, Lenihan as king maker, but not king. Will it be Dermot, Micheal or Mary?
 

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There is unlikely to be a heave against Cowen this side of a general election, to change leaders once between elections is just about permissible but to attempt to do it twice without recourse to the electorate, unless Cowen were to become incapacitated, would place any successor in the invidious position of having the most tenuous mandate to be Taoiseach.
Cowen like Gordon Brown in Britain will have to face the electorate and let the chips fall where they may.
 

antiestablishmentarian

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Hmmm. Thanks for that - it would have been too much to hope for, the idea that they would look beyond party politics in the interests of the country.

So, back to topic. Yes, Lenihan as king maker, but not king. Will it be Dermot, Micheal or Mary?
Hanafin has an axe to grind after her demotion to Culture in the last reshuffle and she is popular with the FF grass roots and sections of the public- whether she would tie herself to Lenihan is another question.
 

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Decidely off topic. It is the mission of the Brian and Mary Show to make the next Government's task as difficult as they can possibly make it. The dislike 80% of the people have for the FF/Cabbages will transfer to 99% hatred of the incoming Govt when they make the cuts that the IMF insists on. Harney's gbe from a few years ago (people won't remember after 3 months) is their guiding light, FF Nua will lead us back to the boom after FG/Lab make the decisions that Lenny avoids.
 

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There'll be no heave against Cowen this side of the election. The heave will come AT the election by the Irish people.
 

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Sorry jmcc for this tangent to your thread, but I am too much of a newbie here to be allowed to start a thread, or PM anybody, or etc etc - and this seems pertinent.

From what I hear, Lenihan's health has not stabilised, and he will not be in any position to depose Cowen personally.

I believe there was something on the radio today about the Parliamentary Party having an urgent and very hush 3 day meeting in the Ardilaun Hotel in Galway. I didn't hear it, but have found out that the hotel has been cleared, traffic diverted and that the local residents have been complaining that the expense of such a meeting, security, state cars etc is a disgrace.

It is curious that such a meeting is not taking place in Dublin, where the details of the budget were hammered out in secrecy. The rumour is that there is talk of a coalition between FF and FG......

Anyone here know anything about this?
For Lenihan to walk away from this cancer would indeed be miraculous, remember he has said it is still there and survival rates are really low. As for a FF&FG government, that moment has passed. We should have had a national government around 2 years ago, now as Lenihan and Cowen have continued to dither, agents outside the state are instructing government policy. That will continue apace, we may (or at this rate are likely) to be knocking at the door of the IMF/EU rescue deal. The only heave against Cowen will be when he looks in the mirror and wretches in disgust at his role in bankrupting the country he apparently loves. He knows the cost of this to the nation and to himself and he's finding it mighty hard to deal with. I've a feeling the inner circle are trying to protect him because he just doesn't want the "hassle" of the job. It was evident in his press interview at the National Conference Cenntre...
 

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I heard that rumour as well about some sort of discussion of a FG/FF pact...could they really be that afraid that Labour and SF could do that well...???

FG/FF government would really be a scary prospect.....

FF would want to be sucidial to elect Dermot Ahern as leader in any heave after his extremely ill judged comments about making Joe Public pay for ATM transactions to pay for the extra security in cash transactions..

TBH i can't see anyone in the Dail from any party will the strength to inspire confidence in the public and lead this country....Kenny is as big a muppet as the others...
 

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Double Standards

I find it amusing that a few chaps here think that the FF think-in is a good idea. If I hear any explosions i'll know it just on of their brains blowing due to an over-ride of oxygen. The only thinking they do is how to en-rich their lives off the people in this countrys backs. Something to be really proud of been a member of the worse shower of unintelligent, conmen this country has ever had the dis-pleasure to govern it. From the master himself who abused this country, Mr bloody CJ to Lawlor to Burke to Callaly and a lot more. All the FF followers just love them, cause they'd have no problem doing the same, and you stand in judgement over the guy who defrauds the Social Welfare. Where I come from thats called been a hyprocrite, double standards that FF are full of. Their think-in, its an insult.
 

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It would take a feat of engineering to heave Cowen.

FF back end washers do not have the mental capacity to achieve this or anything except back end washing !
 

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What about those not attending the 4 star think in are they not sending a message to Cowan ??
 

jmcc

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So now what do people think about the heave against Cowen?

Regards...jmcc
 
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