The Holocaust of Capitalism in the Third World

Cael

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You are clearly deranged and have lost touch with true reality.

Unlike communism capitolism has never been either a coherent or unified political system.

Also your assertions and numbers are absurd.

The communist system has produced truly evil genocidal monsters Stalin.Mao& Pol Pot to name but a few.

Why do you Cael ,a professed Christian, support such systems that have facilitated such monsters?
The dictators you refer to are gone, they are history. Unfortunately, capitalism is still killing millions of people.
 


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The dictators you refer to are gone, they are history. Unfortunately, capitalism is still killing millions of people.
The deaths in the Congo are mostly the results of inter tribal warfare and territorial ambition going back into the mists of time.

To blame capitolism for ethnic or racial hatreds is a cop out and absurd.

To say that capitolism is still killing millions is just ridiculous.

Your credibility as a poster is seriously dissipated by such statements.
 

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The deaths in the Congo are mostly the results of inter tribal warfare and territorial ambition going back into the mists of time.
No they are not. They are about billions of euro's worth of mineral resources, and the willingness of US and European corporations to bypass the government and deal directly with the local warlords.
 

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To say that capitolism is still killing millions is just ridiculous.
Even today in Russia, the life expectancy is ten years lower then it was in 1989. Thats hundreds of millions of years of life wiped out in one country alone by capitalism over the last 20 years. And Russia is far from the worst case. The crimes of capitalism in South America, Asia and Africa are unspeakable.
 

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I was really refering to the european parliament as the fascist platform,
You are aware that at one stage the Bolsheviks sat in the Duma when it was pretty much under the control of the Black Hundreds ?
 

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You are aware that at one stage the Bolsheviks sat in the Duma when it was pretty much under the control of the Black Hundreds ?
A great mistake, in my view, specially considering that four out of the six Bolshevik MPs were Okrana spies. But, this is well of topic. Its capitalism today that we must stop killing people.
 

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A great mistake, in my view,
yet one where Lenin had to fight a five year political battle within the Bolsheviks, even relying on support from the Mensheviks to get at accepted by the RSDLP against his own organisation.

PS - the Bolsheviks had 11 seats in the 1906 Duma.
 

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yet one where Lenin had to fight a five year political battle within the Bolsheviks, even relying on support from the Mensheviks to get at accepted by the RSDLP against his own organisation.
A chara, más é do thoil é. Im sorry I upset you, but lets try and get back on topic, i.e. the capitalist genocides in the third world today.
 

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Capitalism kills 50million people a year - and Stalinism can never catch it seeing as it has left the scene of history.
6.7 billion people live in the world.
The death rate is 0.9 per year.
This means 60 million people die each year.
Therefore, you believe that in the absence of capitalism, 10 million people would die each year. A death rate of 0.15.
A 0.9% death rate implies a 67-year life expectancy in the present day.

This means you believe that in the absence of capitalism, humans would on average live for 402 years.
 

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So Stalinism/Communism is Fianna Failism taken to the extreme? What with everyone being equal and some, the Nomenkaltura/Cummans being more equal than everyone else?

Regards...jmcc
 

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Capitalism truly is a holocaust: of that Cael was spot on. Each day, 16,000 children die from hunger in a world with sufficient resources to feed each human being.

Global Hunger - Bread for the World: Have Faith. End Hunger.

Each day, 29,000 children die from preventable diseases. The figure for each year is 10.6 million children dying from preventable diseases.

CBC News - Health - Thousands of children still dying daily from preventable diseases: report


Now right-wingers will of course start talking about scarcity of resources, why don't they feed themselves, why should we care etc etc, yet the fact remains that all those who die do so because for them to remain alive is not profitable for capitalism, ie they are too poor to provide a market for capitalism and surplus to labour needs. And this conclusion is a truly damning indictment of the current economic system.
 

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Zizek also mentions the Congo, which has now broken down into local warlords selling billions of euro worth of coltan, diamonds, copper, cobalt and gold to US and European multinationals. Each warlord (with his army of drugged children) is under the protection of a multinational corporation. The result is over four million people dead in the last 15 years and the rest near to starvation in a fabulously rich country. .
Facinating videos from journalist Keith Harmon Snow. Little has changed in Congo since the days of Roger Casement

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U28joj6d1A]YouTube - A look at the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) (1)[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMMQhHuI9_Y]YouTube - A look at the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) (2)[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biEXCEOy_vs]YouTube - A look at the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) (3)[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPKcgo4Es8E]YouTube - A look at the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) (4)[/ame]
 

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I understand what you are saying, but the plain fact is that capitalism has never been like the pages of Adam Smith. For that sort of capitalism to work, you have to have a very large number of small producers operating according to perfect competition (or as near to it as possible). But this flies in the face of what capitalists give as the raison d'etre of capitalism, i.e. individual greed. To maintain a situation of perfect competition, you must suppress the individual greed of people would would like to build monopolies - the likes of Bill Gates. So, to maintain perfect competition, you must have a very stong state force blocking just the kind of individual that capitalism says it want to encourage. You have, in effect, a sort of Communist state. On the other hand, the minute you let the likes of Bill Gates off the leash, you have the end of perfect competition and the rise of monopoly power. Small producers are put out of business and forced to sell their labour to the monopolies. These monopolies become so rich and powerful that they can literally buy the state and turn the state into its armed enforcer - this is the situation we have now.

So, I dont see any situation were capitalism could really exist as Adam Smith imagined.
Excellent post Cael. That's the crux of the problem. It's the difference between theory and practice. 'Libertarianism' is based on mere wishful thinking. Ironically, though the same criticism can be made of Marxism- what we saw there too in the course of the last century is the difference between theory and practice. Both capitalism and Marxism are based on misreadings of human nature and both make the same error of considering man primarily as an economic being, one maximising his avaricious appetite, the other pretending that it can be fixed by political intervention. No political ideology or economic system though will or can alleviate what is essentially a spiritual disorder.
 

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World wide capitalism and global trade is the reason why the global population now stand at more than 6 billion people, why China has lifted hundreds of millions of it's citizens out of poverty in little more than a decade, why infant mortality is lower and lower year on year.
Air travel, cars, television, electricity, the internet, satellite communications, global positioning, music and entertainment, food, clean water, medicine and much much more has become accessible because of capitalism.
If you want to return to living like peasants shackled to the land, go right ahead.
The capitalist system, trade and economic relationships mean that global nuclear war would be unthinkable.
 

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World wide capitalism and global trade is the reason why the global population now stand at more than 6 billion people, why China has lifted hundreds of millions of it's citizens out of poverty in little more than a decade, why infant mortality is lower and lower year on year.
Thats a blatant lie: over 150 million extra people have falen below the poverty line in the last 2 years. I refer you to the links I provided in my previous post.



If you want to return to living like peasants shackled to the land, go right ahead.
The capitalist system, trade and economic relationships mean that global nuclear war would be unthinkable.
The fact that the belligerents on both sides were trading partners didn't stop the First or Second world wars from taking place did they? And we have had nuclear warfare in the past decade, American use of spent uranium to tip weapons used in places like Fallujah is nuclear warfare and a crime against humanity.
 


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