The HPV vaccine and the need for zero tolerance for stupidity

DaveM

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This story annoys the hell out of me. The internet, including some fruit loops in this parish, is awash with anti-vaccination conspiracy loons. These cretins, having apparently been vaccinated from believing anything that is supported by scientific research, peddle any and every piece of scaremongering nonsense they trip over and we have seen far too many parents swallow this shíte whole and fail to vaccinate their children against entirely preventable life threatening illnesses. For the first time in years we saw children die from measles having not been vaccinated in the aftermath of Andrew Wakefield's lies about the MMR vaccine. The story in the news lately? The HPV vaccine, the uptake of which has fallen alarmingly. So let's compare and contrast.

Sinn Féin calls for respect for mothers concerned over HPV...

In the linked story on one side we have HSE spokesperson Stephanie O’Keeffe who says:

The World Health Organisation, The US Centre for Disease Control, The European Centre for Disease Control and Prevention, The International Association for Gynaecologists and Obstetricians are all saying [...] there is not one shred of evidence that demonstrates and association between the HPV vaccine and the kinds of things that people are saying that it causes.
We also have Professor Donal Brennan, consultant gynaecologist and obstetrician at the Mater Hospital in Dublin:

... said that international evidence shows the vaccine is safe, effective and is saving lives.

"We do not in any way suggest that these girls are not sick,” he said. “But we cannot say there is a causative link between the HPV vaccination and those different symptoms & syndromes that have developed."
Two people who's jobs are to deliver the best healthcare and outcomes for patients. Clear and unambiguous. The vaccine is safe. And, given that it's pretty much accepted that dying of cancer is bad, necessary too.

Enter SF health spokesperson Louise O'Reilly. While supporting the vaccine the glowing opportunity for a good old pander is just too great to resist. Louise solemnly tells us that people "wholeheartedly believe" that their daughters have suffered adverse impacts from the vaccination and that we "cannot dismiss the concerns of mothers".

People who have concerns about this and wholeheartedly believe the precise opposite of what scientific evidence demonstrates are the kind of people with the kind of super heavyweight thickness that sees them turn to their Facebook feed for medical advice instead of, heaven forbid, a doctor! Their "concerns" and "wholehearted beliefs" translate, when passed through a common sense filter, as dangerous stupidity. We should not be validating them or making them feel ok for being idiots.

What we should be saying in no uncertain terms that the anti-vaccination conspiracy loons are bare faced liars. We should also be saying that anyone who chooses to believe them over medical professionals is an idiot, that they are endangering their children and that they should be ashamed.

If people are being idiots they should be called on it. This brand of soft soap pandering is utter horse shít and O'Reilly and all the other fools who engage in it should be ashamed of themselves. This is one of those times when there is no room for ambiguity.
 


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Is this thread about the anti-vaccination movement, or is it a covert attempt at SF-bashing?

I will watch to see where it goes next. :)
 

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And Sinn Féin trying to run with the hare and chase with the hounds.

Fianna Fáil nua.
Some issues are simply too important to conflate mind numbing stupidity with some kind of misguided but well intentioned concern.

Anti-vaccination loons should be shown zero tolerance and so should parents who seem hell bent on swallowing their lies in spite of masses of well publicised medical evidence to the contrary.
 

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Is this thread about the anti-vaccination movement, or is it a covert attempt at SF-bashing?

I will watch to see where it goes next. :)
Anti-vaccination. SF just so happen to have the misfortune to have been found to have some stupid in their midst.
 

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12 year old girls do not need this vaccine.
Thanks. Let's see your peer reviewed medical research to support this contention. Otherwise go forth and copulate with thyself.
 

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Are you a parent?
I am. And I've had my daughter come home from school and spout out every bullshít story and rumour she's heard about the vaccine as if they were incontrovertible facts. Luckily for her this is one issue where I'm a very, very stubborn bóllócks!
 

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I am. And I've had my daughter come home from school and spout out every bullshít story and rumour she's heard about the vaccine as if they were incontrovertible facts. Luckily for her this is one issue where I'm a very, very stubborn bóllócks!
I think the have a vaccine for stubborn boll0cks now
 

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I paid out a couple of hundred euros a shot for my daughters to get this a number of years ago.

Sometimes when you make it free, people appreciate it less than if they had to pay for it. Though I accept that many people will appreciate it.

I don't think you can force people to take it either.
 

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I am. And I've had my daughter come home from school and spout out every bullshít story and rumour she's heard about the vaccine as if they were incontrovertible facts. Luckily for her this is one issue where I'm a very, very stubborn bóllócks!


I see your daughter and raise you my wife. Unfortunately her good self has been taken in by all of this shyte...and we're at the baby vaccination phase. Let's just say, things are tense...
 

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I see your daughter and raise you my wife. Unfortunately her good self has been taken in by all of this shyte...and we're at the baby vaccination phase. Let's just say, things are tense...
Feckin hell! My sympathies...

I like the way the likes of Dr. Ciara Kelly talk on this issue. No ambiguity, no dancing around the issue to make people feel ok about themselves. Tackle the bullshít head on and call it for what it is. I'd suggest making an appointment to see her in her Greystones surgery but I'd say you'd struggle she's become so beloved of RTE and Newstalk these days!

Seriously though. Go see the GP. Together. Preferably go and see John McManus in the Carlton Clinic. That'd be my advice.
 

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There is a tremendous amount of anxiety out there, and distrust of experts. It is a modern phenomenon.

We have gone from "Doctor knows best" to "Doctor knows less than some guy on youtube".

Successive real and genuine scandals, from thalidomide to pushing tricyclics, have led ordinary people make false assumptions that all medical recommendations are in someway compromised or suspect.

Anti-vaccinators, like 9/11 Truthers, prosper by the widening access to information that a lot of people simply can't evaluate. If it is on the internet, they think it must have some validity.
 
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I see your daughter and raise you my wife. Unfortunately her good self has been taken in by all of this shyte...and we're at the baby vaccination phase. Let's just say, things are tense...
I think it is probably all scaremongering in the case of HPV, but we need to exercise some caution regarding vaccines. I know a number of doctors who have given their kids most vaccines, but not all. Basically they did so on the basis that some vaccines include a more serious risk than does the condition being vaccinated against. But the notion that the State should made vaccines mandatory is nonsense, what next, give the State the right in interfere in family life to insist on whatever is their current definition of a healthy lifestyle? After all, lifestyle probably causes more, and more serious, threats to health than that posed by diseases against which vaccination is recommended.
 


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