The HPV vaccine and the need for zero tolerance for stupidity

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They're a bigger threat to children who can't be immunised against measles and other diseases because of their own medical issues (often but not always because they're being treated for cancer) and depend on herd immunity to stay alive.
Or even by age. Babies cant be vaccinated for a number of illnesses upon birth. If a baby/child dies as a result of a "vaccinatable" illness because of exposure to another child that was consciously not vaccinated those parents should be done for murder. Its kinda that simple and that dangerous.
 


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Robert Kennedy Junior is one of America's greatest legal experts. He has applied his expertise to vaccine issues in recent years. What Kennedy reveals in the following talk has worldwide implications because the WHO generally follows American protocols for vaccination. And it has particular relevance for Ireland because Ireland tends to slavishly follow the American healthcare model. Also, Simon Harris is about to offer the HPV vaccine Gardasil to every boy in Ireland (as well as girl). It costs about €400 per child, but sure the taxpayer will pay.

Kennedy shows that the safety testing of Gardasil was a fiasco and that the manufacturer Merck committed all sorts of scientific frauds to get it to market.

[Kennedy has an unfortunate voice disorder, spasmodic dysphonia, which makes him hard to listen to at times, but the words are powerful...]


It is not surprising that Gardasil seems to be the worst childhood vaccine as regards nasty side effects and even death. You don't have to go to America to see that. The hundreds of families in the Regret organization in Ireland could enlighten you, but of course they are excluded by the mainstream media and spurned by successive Ministers for Health. They all have stories to tell like the unfortunate mother in this video [Warning: It will tear your heart out.]:
"My daughter died four hours after the Gardasil vaccine"
 

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Anyone who is unfortunate enough to need prescription medicines will know that included in every box is a list of the precautions required for use and the possible interactions and side effects which may occur.

I really don’t understand why vaccines makers/ governments cannot / will not acknowledge that some people - very few people out of the millions vaccinated will, for as yet unknown reasons, react badly. Being a minority should not mean ones condition can be denied, ignored or even worse derided.

A guarantee of medical care and support for such people would go a long way the reducing the distrust in a system which seems to show business and governments speaking as one and denying outright the struggles of living breathing visible victims.

What is so wrong with- “some diseases are preventable with vaccination. If sufficient people are vaccinated some diseases will in time disappear. Very occasionally a vaccine can have a bad reaction and this company and your government undertakes to cover the cost of care for anyone so affected”
 

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Robert Kennedy Junior is one of America's greatest legal experts. He has applied his expertise to vaccine issues in recent years. What Kennedy reveals in the following talk has worldwide implications because the WHO generally follows American protocols for vaccination. And it has particular relevance for Ireland because Ireland tends to slavishly follow the American healthcare model. Also, Simon Harris is about to offer the HPV vaccine Gardasil to every boy in Ireland (as well as girl). It costs about €400 per child, but sure the taxpayer will pay.

Kennedy shows that the safety testing of Gardasil was a fiasco and that the manufacturer Merck committed all sorts of scientific frauds to get it to market.

[Kennedy has an unfortunate voice disorder, spasmodic dysphonia, which makes him hard to listen to at times, but the words are powerful...]


It is not surprising that Gardasil seems to be the worst childhood vaccine as regards nasty side effects and even death. You don't have to go to America to see that. The hundreds of families in the Regret organization in Ireland could enlighten you, but of course they are excluded by the mainstream media and spurned by successive Ministers for Health. They all have stories to tell like the unfortunate mother in this video [Warning: It will tear your heart out.]:
"My daughter died four hours after the Gardasil vaccine"
It should be given to boys/men who are likely to be gay/bisexual, isn't HPV linked to throat and anal cancer?
 

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Anyone who is unfortunate enough to need prescription medicines will know that included in every box is a list of the precautions required for use and the possible interactions and side effects which may occur.

I really don’t understand why vaccines makers/ governments cannot / will not acknowledge that some people - very few people out of the millions vaccinated will, for as yet unknown reasons, react badly. Being a minority should not mean ones condition can be denied, ignored or even worse derided.

A guarantee of medical care and support for such people would go a long way the reducing the distrust in a system which seems to show business and governments speaking as one and denying outright the struggles of living breathing visible victims.

What is so wrong with- “some diseases are preventable with vaccination. If sufficient people are vaccinated some diseases will in time disappear. Very occasionally a vaccine can have a bad reaction and this company and your government undertakes to cover the cost of care for anyone so affected”
You are right and that is not in question. All medicines ahcve an benefit/risk profile, and for vaccines this is no different.

The question that many people adverse to vaccination have highlighted syndromes which they claim are related to vaccination but have no higher an incidence in vaccinated than in unvaccinated people.
In addition, while some adverse events are indeed rare, the perception of their incidence is unduly amplified by the attention these events receive on social media. People are far more likely to hear about disasters than normal events, which is why people fear such events. An analogy is with te fear of flying, one of the safest forms of transport yet there are people with an irremediable phobia against this mode of transport.
People who become ill need help and support, and may think that they are doing good by trying to prevent such an event happening to another person,but when their actions risk undermining the objective evidence base on which the benefit/risk balance rests they must be resisted. not doing so puts more people at risk that they would otherwise have "saved"
 

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Anyone who is unfortunate enough to need prescription medicines will know that included in every box is a list of the precautions required for use and the possible interactions and side effects which may occur.

I really don’t understand why vaccines makers/ governments cannot / will not acknowledge that some people - very few people out of the millions vaccinated will, for as yet unknown reasons, react badly. Being a minority should not mean ones condition can be denied, ignored or even worse derided.

A guarantee of medical care and support for such people would go a long way the reducing the distrust in a system which seems to show business and governments speaking as one and denying outright the struggles of living breathing visible victims.

What is so wrong with- “some diseases are preventable with vaccination. If sufficient people are vaccinated some diseases will in time disappear. Very occasionally a vaccine can have a bad reaction and this company and your government undertakes to cover the cost of care for anyone so affected”
Not true.

If it all goes wrong you're on your own.

 

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What ever one might think about the safety, the efficacy of the HPV vaccine is becoming irrefutable
 

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Abstinence and fidelity have a fabulous success rate.
Yet nobody is putting money into financing this proven method of disease prevention.

Funny that...
 

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You're absolutely right about abstinence, but it's not a great long term solution, what with the need to repopulate and all.
As for fidelity, the prevalences or the viruses are such that it doesn't take many partners to become exposed. There's a calculation some way back in the thread, and if I find it I'll repost it.
I presume you're talking about both sexes, right?
 

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Abstinence and fidelity have a fabulous success rate.
Yet nobody is putting money into financing this proven method of disease prevention.

Funny that...
Because we live in the real world, and you can practise abstinence and fidelity, wait till you marry and only have sex with your husband, but if he hasn't been like minded even if it was years before, you can still get the HP virus and still get cervical cancer.
Please grow up and stop talking sh1t
 

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Abstinence and fidelity have a fabulous success rate.
Yet nobody is putting money into financing this proven method of disease prevention.

Funny that...
Actually they don't.

States with no mandates for abstinence had the lowest mean rates of infection among the overall population and among adolescents. States with mandates emphasizing abstinence had the highest rates; states with mandates to cover (but not emphasize) abstinence fell in between.
 

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Abstinence and fidelity have a fabulous success rate.
Yet nobody is putting money into financing this proven method of disease prevention.

Funny that...
 


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