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The Independent and the use of Irrelevant Information to Discredit People.


ruserious

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Reading an article on the story of Luke Ming Flanagan and his penalty points makes it clear that the Indo is a bias piece of thrash.

The opening line of the article states:
CONTROVERSIAL politician Luke Ming Flanagan has revealed he has had penalty points wiped from his driving licence twice.
Why do they open an article with the word controversial, capitalised?

IMO, this is a deliberate attempt to set the tone early that Ming is not someone to be trusted. It is almost giving the reader the set of mind needed to brand the penalty points issue just another controversial thing this controversial person has done.

But that is not the worst of it.

The article decides to pluck something else entirely from Mr. Flanagan's life which is entirely separate from the issue at hand.

The TD, who has openly admitted to using class A drugs such as cocaine, acid and ecstasy in the past, insisted he never asked for the points to be wiped.
What the hell has his past drug use have to do with this issue?
Why don't they do this for all people who have openly taken drugs?

This is the 'article' in question which was written by Lyndsey Telford:
'Ming' Flanagan says penalty points quashed twice - Independent.ie

Again, this article is not about Ming, it is about the use of utterly Irrelevant Information to Discredit People.

Is this acceptable?

Rus.
 


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Listened to an interview on Pravda, after Ming became a TD.

John Murray went straight to the point and quickly asked Ming about drugs. Ming went on the counter-offenseive.

Ming said that Irish media journalists are hypocrites. Ming claimed that they many of them write articles about him, and the first thing they mention is his habit of smoking dope. He claimed to know some of them, and that he knew that they take far stronger drugs themselves. In some cases very dangerous substances indeed.

Murray quickly moved on to the next topic, after that. I reckon he was afraid of a "Nell moment" coming up. Ming was agitated.

Ming has Dail privelege. Perhaps he might enlighten us as to whom he was exactly talking about.
 
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statsman

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Reading an article on the story of Luke Ming Flanagan and his penalty points makes it clear that the Indo is a bias piece of thrash.

The opening line of the article states:


Why do they open an article with the word controversial, capitalised?

IMO, this is a deliberate attempt to set the tone early that Ming is not someone to be trusted. It is almost giving the reader the set of mind needed to brand the penalty points issue just another controversial thing this controversial person has done.

But that is not the worst of it.

The article decides to pluck something else entirely from Mr. Flanagan's life which is entirely separate from the issue at hand.



What the hell has his past drug use have to do with this issue?
Why don't they do this for all people who have openly taken drugs?

This is the 'article' in question which was written by Lyndsey Telford:
'Ming' Flanagan says penalty points quashed twice - Independent.ie

Again, this article is not about Ming, it is about the use of utterly Irrelevant Information to Discredit People.

Is this acceptable?

Rus.
Has he ever taken drugs? Was his stance on the bogs issue not some kind of parish-pump 'controversial' f#ckwittery? I don't read the Indo, but I doubt anything they said about him got anywhere near what I think of the fool.
 

ruserious

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Has he ever taken drugs? Was his stance on the bogs issue not some kind of parish-pump 'controversial' f#ckwittery? I don't read the Indo, but I doubt anything they said about him got anywhere near what I think of the fool.

Aye, but whatever we may think of him outside of the issue at hand is irrelevant, is it not?
 

statsman

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Aye, but whatever we may think of him outside of the issue at hand is irrelevant, is it not?
Hard though it may be to believe, but politician are humans, and I've always believed that humans have to be taken in the round and not piecemeal.

Do you honestly believe that there is no conflict between Ming's attitude to the law in terms, on the one hand, of conservation or drugs and, on the other, penalty points?
 

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The Indo and the Sindo continue hammering away slowly at the coalition on the one hand, and the independents and SF on the other. I can't imagine who the intended beneficiary might be.
 

ruserious

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Hard though it may be to believe, but politician are humans, and I've always believed that humans have to be taken in the round and not piecemeal.

Do you honestly believe that there is no conflict between Ming's attitude to the law in terms, on the one hand, of conservation or drugs and, on the other, penalty points?

If it were a court of law, the jury would be asked to ignore all other externalities. I don't see why a supposed serious broadsheet feels the need to remind the reader of other events in his life which have nothing to do with the story at hand.

By using the drug story, it has possibly reminded you that there may be hypocrisy at play due to his attitudes to different laws. That much is clear from your reply but I think that this serves to lay judgement before the trial so to speak.
 

spidermom

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The Sindo "leaked " this story...and the Lowry tapes in the last two weeks!!...

Not bad really....!!
 

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Ming is doing a fine job of discrediting himself.
I think it might be possible to add that....

The rest of them in there are doing a fine job trying to make him look useful :p
 

ruserious

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You should have seen them a work during the Tribunal years. The term 'hatchet job' doesn't begin to cover their treatment of those questioning the charlatan Ahern's finances or those giving evidence against him. Whatever the deal was between Ahern and O'Reilly after their 'summit', he got his money's worth...

Which summit was this?
 
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Which summit was this?
After Ahern's mad Sunday morning dash to the Park in 2007, desperately trying to get the election called before Tom Gilmartin could get on the stand to give evidence (the Tribunal has to postpone for an election campaign), Ahern and O'Reiily met in private and suddenly the Sindo was virulently anti-Tribunal, pro-Ahern, anti-Gilmartin, anti-anyone who questioned Ahern's lies. The big question is what was the quid pro quo for O'Reilly...
 

ruserious

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After Ahern's mad Sunday morning dash to the Park in 2007, desperately trying to get the election called before Tom Gilmartin could get on the stand to give evidence (the Tribunal has to postpone for an election campaign), Ahern and O'Reiily met in private and suddenly the Sindo was virulently anti-Tribunal, pro-Ahern, anti-Gilmartin, anti-anyone who questioned Ahern's lies. The big question is what was the quid pro quo for O'Reilly...
Did other media pick up on this at the time?
 

myksav

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Reading an article on the story of Luke Ming Flanagan and his penalty points makes it clear that the Indo is a bias piece of thrash.

The opening line of the article states:


Why do they open an article with the word controversial, capitalised?

IMO, this is a deliberate attempt to set the tone early that Ming is not someone to be trusted. It is almost giving the reader the set of mind needed to brand the penalty points issue just another controversial thing this controversial person has done.

But that is not the worst of it.

The article decides to pluck something else entirely from Mr. Flanagan's life which is entirely separate from the issue at hand.



What the hell has his past drug use have to do with this issue?
Why don't they do this for all people who have openly taken drugs?

This is the 'article' in question which was written by Lyndsey Telford:
'Ming' Flanagan says penalty points quashed twice - Independent.ie

Again, this article is not about Ming, it is about the use of utterly Irrelevant Information to Discredit People.

Is this acceptable?

Rus.
As long as those on the receiving end are Opposition bench politicians, yes. Why?

Oh, morally it sucks stink but this is politics, where lies are acceptable, breaking promises is the done thing and of course, irrelevant information (called colour in sports media) is absolutely necessary to paint the target the exact shade you want the people to perceive.
 

nakatomi

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Reading an article on the story of Luke Ming Flanagan and his penalty points makes it clear that the Indo is a bias piece of thrash.

The opening line of the article states:


Why do they open an article with the word controversial, capitalised?

IMO, this is a deliberate attempt to set the tone early that Ming is not someone to be trusted. It is almost giving the reader the set of mind needed to brand the penalty points issue just another controversial thing this controversial person has done.

But that is not the worst of it.

The article decides to pluck something else entirely from Mr. Flanagan's life which is entirely separate from the issue at hand.



What the hell has his past drug use have to do with this issue?
Why don't they do this for all people who have openly taken drugs?

This is the 'article' in question which was written by Lyndsey Telford:
'Ming' Flanagan says penalty points quashed twice - Independent.ie

Again, this article is not about Ming, it is about the use of utterly Irrelevant Information to Discredit People.

Is this acceptable?

Rus.
Imagine the exact same could be said about Bill Clinton, controversial politician who has admitted taking drugs ........ or any of these lot

List of British politicians who admit to cannabis use - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_politicians_who_admit_to_cannabis_use
 

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