The Irish Citizen's Assembly tackles Climate Change ...

owedtojoy

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While the Citizens' Assembly idea is not perfect, it is a good start, and leads to the possibility of much better citizen oversight of the workings of the legislature and the executive - in effect, a far more effective Second Legislative Chamber than the Seanad could ever be.

Issues like Abortion and Climate Change are tailor-made for the Citizens' Assembly. These are complex and multi-faceted issues that the ordinary citizen has little time to understand. The stances of politicians and experts quickly get lost in partisan bickering.

So to get a panel of 100 "ordinary" individuals to examine and report on complicated issues in an enormous step forward. There are objections that 100 is too small a sample, but exactly the same objections can be made to a jury. In effect, the Citizens' Assembly is a jury asked to rule on a complicated matter, and give a complicated solution.

{H.L.Mencken: "Complex problems have simple solutions, except they are all wrong"}

The submissions on climate change are here: https://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Submissions/How-the-State-can-make-Ireland-a-leader-in-tackling-climate-change/Submissions-Received/

Sensibly, the science has been largely accepted, and the focus is on solutions. If anything, it demonstrates that the scientific "debate" on this matter is largely over (in fact, it has been for some time), and policy is now the focus.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/climate-change-experts-to-address-citizens-assembly-808005.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/irish-failing-spectacularly-in-response-to-climate-change-1.3239882


Peter Stott of UK Met Office presenting now to #CitizensAssembly on the impact of climate change, with big emphasis on flooding

If I had any concern, it was that there is a focus on the individual - it is true that individuals can do a lot to reduce their carbon footprint, and we must leverage that. But changes to personal lifestyles will mean little unless there are changes at the national level, for example in energy policy. It is next to pointless having electric cars if the electricity to charge them is generated by burning fossil fuels.
 


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watching the six one tonight, their report was just so one sided, that wind power is the cure all to end all damaging heat production
 

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We are a tiny island struggling to get by, even if Climate Change exists we can have absolutely no real influence compared to other huge countries. Another fashionable liberal cause, while we have other far more serious issues such as housing and our economy that seem to be getting worse and not better.
 

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the end of nasty is even more nasty to some, nuclear, we have either to build or import power fueled by nuclear, on a side note in the event of brexit power will be rather a costly item, where will they scource their nukelear
 

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Humans are not responsible for climate change.
The OP has a vested financial,interest in plugging the lie that humans are causing climate change.

ZOO
 

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While the Citizens' Assembly idea is not perfect, it is a good start, and leads to the possibility of much better citizen oversight of the workings of the legislature and the executive - in effect, a far more effective Second Legislative Chamber than the Seanad could ever be.

Issues like Abortion and Climate Change are tailor-made for the Citizens' Assembly. These are complex and multi-faceted issues that the ordinary citizen has little time to understand. The stances of politicians and experts quickly get lost in partisan bickering.

So to get a panel of 100 "ordinary" individuals to examine and report on complicated issues in an enormous step forward. There are objections that 100 is too small a sample, but exactly the same objections can be made to a jury. In effect, the Citizens' Assembly is a jury asked to rule on a complicated matter, and give a complicated solution.

{H.L.Mencken: "Complex problems have simple solutions, except they are all wrong"}

The submissions on climate change are here: https://www.citizensassembly.ie/en/Submissions/How-the-State-can-make-Ireland-a-leader-in-tackling-climate-change/Submissions-Received/

Sensibly, the science has been largely accepted, and the focus is on solutions. If anything, it demonstrates that the scientific "debate" on this matter is largely over (in fact, it has been for some time), and policy is now the focus.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/climate-change-experts-to-address-citizens-assembly-808005.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/irish-failing-spectacularly-in-response-to-climate-change-1.3239882


Peter Stott of UK Met Office presenting now to #CitizensAssembly on the impact of climate change, with big emphasis on flooding

If I had any concern, it was that there is a focus on the individual - it is true that individuals can do a lot to reduce their carbon footprint, and we must leverage that. But changes to personal lifestyles will mean little unless there are changes at the national level, for example in energy policy. It is next to pointless having electric cars if the electricity to charge them is generated by burning fossil fuels.
i agree with mulligan, this is anoter way to take the heat off more important issues, also the gov are overdoing the citizens assembly crack
 

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Issues like Abortion and Climate Change are tailor-made for the Citizens' Assembly. These are complex and multi-faceted issues that the ordinary citizen has little time to understand

:roll:

Climate Change has existed since the planet was formed....

As has been said

- Ireland's contribution to it is minuscule....
 

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We have an elected Dáil Eireann. We have the Senate. How the Hell have we ended up being beholden to a globalist shill cabal of 99 unelected (but selected by Red C) nobodies, being herded by a Supreme Court judge?
Abortion - Yes
Global Warming - of course.
Immigration - not enough.
Old people - a pain in the arse.
And it has cost €2 million. Five counties unrepresented.
This #redacted circus should be aborted itself.
 
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I'm not at all clear how 100 lay people are qualified to come up with a solution that represents the optimum mix of energy sources. And I agree with the poster who stated that nuclear in unavoidable, the other solutions may have a contribution to make but there must be at least one reliable energy source that is not at the mercy of the weather. Last year here in southern Spain we got hammered with high bills for the first 2 months of the year, because the sun didn't shine as much as expected and expensive electricity had to be bought in to make up the deficit. And if you can't rely on solar power in the south of a Spain...........!
Anyway, this is the government dodging their responsibilities again, they have the expertise at their disposal and know what is needed.
 

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It's a set up.
 

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The Citizen's Assembly ?

We already have one of those. In fact we even have a backup, called the Seanad, for the rejects who failed to get elected to it.

More hot air. Stop wasting money, on the pretence of democracy.

Did any of you get to vote in the making of the members of the Citizen's Assembly ?
 

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Issues like Abortion and Climate Change are tailor-made for the Citizens' Assembly. These are complex and multi-faceted issues that the ordinary citizen has little time to understand


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Not so. ;)

After the abortion debacle, the CA has shown itself to be an easily manipulated joke.l
 

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i agree with mulligan, this is anoter way to take the heat off more important issues, also the gov are overdoing the citizens assembly crack
mulligan is just being a right mulligan.

Going by anything he ever posted, his opinion is worthless.
 

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May as well have Al Gore driving around in a SUV, before parking it outside a massive mansion.
 

owedtojoy

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The Citizen's Assembly ?

We already have one of those. In fact we even have a backup, called the Seanad, for the rejects who failed to get elected to it.

More hot air. Stop wasting money, on the pretence of democracy.

Did any of you get to vote in the making of the members of the Citizen's Assembly ?
Who votes in juries? Who elects judges (in this country)?

The Citizen's Assembly is just a larger jury.

I don't expect it to be the last word on anything, but the collective ruling of 100 citizens who have devoted time to the study of policy deserves respect and close reading.

And it is clear that many of those who have problems with 100 fellow-citizens have no problems with the pronouncements of dictators like Putin.
 

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May as well have Al Gore driving around in a SUV, before parking it outside a massive mansion.
Typical Analshyster .... go for the most stupid and intellectually childish argument ... attack Al Gore.
 

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Not so. ;)

After the abortion debacle, the CA has shown itself to be an easily manipulated joke.l
I deduce its findings were not to your liking.
 

owedtojoy

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Issues like Abortion and Climate Change are tailor-made for the Citizens' Assembly. These are complex and multi-faceted issues that the ordinary citizen has little time to understand

:roll:

Climate Change has existed since the planet was formed....

As has been said

- Ireland's contribution to it is minuscule....
Tha tis a completely bull************************ argument.

Bubonic plague had existed since the planet was formed. Are you arguing that we should not try to prevent bubonic plague or typhoid, or any disease?

Regarding Ireland's contribution, clearly it will not be in our interests if climate change is allowed to continue unchecked. But how can we ask bigger countries to do something, when we do nothing ourselves?

Any moral system has to be reflexive, it must apply to yourself too. We cannot advocate for an international solution without being part of it ourselves.
 


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