a case of cherchez les neocons -yet again?erigena said:Thanks, sackville. Sorry about leaving this thread alone for a while; I gig in the US, and it's our busiest time of year. As you point out, it is vitally important that the Irish music business get sorted. We are making asses of ourselves with this transfer of money from quality music to pop crap. As for John waters, time to dig out the fr. Ted my lovely horse episode.sackville said:The working class worked for living - hence the name, A guy called Dave.
I could on but I think the OP of this thread is too important to allow the topic to be diverted into a futile 'discussion' on the definition of class .
an important and revelatory post - back on topic!
Wrt the post after you, who is Louis Walsh really? Alternatively put, where did he get the resources to finance the numerous failures as well as the few successes? Why is a return of Boyzone the best he can come up with now after apparently scaling the heights of the international music biz?Lest we forget, the brit charts are notoriously rigged, the sales numbers are low, and not even Paddy Power will take bets on them. Secondly, did anyone notice that the same Murdoch-affiliated publisher that gave Ms. Ahern her contract and uses numerous ghost-writers just gave GW Bush's daughter a publishing contract? Why did IMRO collect for Murdoch's sky?
As I have already pointed out, the real meat can be read on seanonuallain.com. For the moment, in this more cautious venue, I offer a few predictions
1.We will never hear of Louis Walsh again after the current media funeral services
2.Likewise, Mumba, Boyzone, etc
3.Ms Ahern will experience writer's block if FF fail to get in again. Permanently.
It is up to us to make sure this grotesquerie never happens again. I live in hope that the Rory Gallaghers and Phil Lynotts out there will come out of hiding soon.
there's several reasons for that, but one of the basic ones is simply that most people go to pubs to chat and joke with their mates, and to meet members of the opposite sex, and live music tends to be played at a much higher volume, making socialising difficult. Pubs make more money when people are standing up joking and drinking, than when people are standing up staring at a band and drinkingnetcomm said:All over this country the Live music scene in pubs and clubs is dwindling in the face of piped music and so called DJs who wouldn't know a musical instrument from a record needle.
alonso said:While I don't know much about the IMRO debacle, I did spend many years in a punk band, releasing albums and touring the UK, and played a few shows in the US. There is a plethora of problems in Ireland for rock bands to overcome.
Metal and Punk and alternative music is absolutely massive in Ireland, and always has been, yet no band from any of these genres has ever emerged from this country. My old band were one of the few to escape the Irish scene when we were playing, despite the existence of better bands here. But this isn't just an Irish problem. The UK is the same. Western rock music is totally dominated by the US. It's difficult for a lot of UK bands to forge a career as well, but the sheer size of the market makes touring at a lower level much more feasible and many keep touring and releasing while having other careers...
As long as Hot Press and the insular Whelans indie scene remains the dominant force, we'll never change. People like Kevin Courtney are an absolute disgrace. Any time they review any gig that features a metal or a punk band, the piece is dripping with patronising sarcasm, depsite the gig being at the Point, and despite the band being grammy winning multi-platinum artists. Then they review some brain-mushing whinging acoustic gig in Whelans and make out that it was a life-changing experience. This attitude has dominated irish music for years and that's why nothing has emerged.
I always found it amazing that Northern Ireland produced Ash and Therapy? in the 90's who were massive, while we produced nothing of the genre in those days. Even at a lower level NI produced great rock bands. But down here with our backward cosy little clique of music hacks, they are suppressed totally and looked down upon as some sort of oddities who appeal to confused teenagers who hang around Central Bank. Well excuse me, but aren't they the ones downloading tracks all day and buying concert tickets??
And as soon as that happens, the Irish hacks perform a u-turn and laud them as the next U2.... they're a bunch of failed musicians and amateur bitter little gimps. They're to blame, not Louis Walsh, who has done nothing but create some successful pop acts. He has no connection to the Irish Music scene that we're discussing in my opinion...
agree totally . They should all be shot . Before him we had Planxty , the Undertones ,Lizzy , Gallagher , Horslips , The Blades ,Aslan , Moving Hearts..ffs sake that was quality stuff .netcomm said:The reason we're not producing any bands, musicians etc is because of one person and that person is Louis Walsh.
He destroyed the opportunities for Live bands by introducting crap 'so called' music with his boy/girl groups who couldn't sing, play musicial instruments and made their money from pre-teens (usually girls) who pestered their parents to buy such drivel.
It was him and his ilk who destroyed the Irish Music industry and he should never be forgiven.
All over this country the Live music scene in pubs and clubs is dwindling in the face of piped music and so called DJs who wouldn't know a musical instrument from a record needle.
Much as I admire the sentiments of this and merle's other postings of this wild night, this would be Gay Mitchell? And that would be Westlife?merle haggard said:[
agree totally . They should all be shot . Before him we had Planxty , the Undertones ,Lizzy , Gallagher , Horslips , The Blades ,Aslan , Moving Hearts..ffs sake that was quality stuff .
Id wholeheartedly encourage people to track down whatever gobshite Dublin muso writers ,artsy fartsy smartypants and whoever else is responsible for this woeful state of affairs and set them on fire as a lesson to all oxygen theives , boybands , X factor wannabes and exploiters of aforementioned wannabes and whoever else can be blamed for the s.hite polluting our airwaves and televison screens.
Boyzone have to take a lot of the blame but thankfully at least one of them got beaten up in a chippy at the Sligo fleadh a few years agocfor being a hair gel encrusted ponce that wore pantaloons.
I also believe making it illegal foranyone under 12 to listen to music or be sold a recording would finish the likes of Louis Walsh in this country at least .
Fine Gaels Jim Mitchell is apparently using Simon Cowell as an election gimmick which makes him doubly evil . What type of example is that to set ?