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erigena

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I am reliably told there have been very high-level resignations from IMRO. That is good news
 

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While I don't know much about the IMRO debacle, I did spend many years in a punk band, releasing albums and touring the UK, and played a few shows in the US. There is a plethora of problems in Ireland for rock bands to overcome.

Metal and Punk and alternative music is absolutely massive in Ireland, and always has been, yet no band from any of these genres has ever emerged from this country. My old band were one of the few to escape the Irish scene when we were playing, despite the existence of better bands here. But this isn't just an Irish problem. The UK is the same. Western rock music is totally dominated by the US. It's difficult for a lot of UK bands to forge a career as well, but the sheer size of the market makes touring at a lower level much more feasible and many keep touring and releasing while having other careers...

As long as Hot Press and the insular Whelans indie scene remains the dominant force, we'll never change. People like Kevin Courtney are an absolute disgrace. Any time they review any gig that features a metal or a punk band, the piece is dripping with patronising sarcasm, depsite the gig being at the Point, and despite the band being grammy winning multi-platinum artists. Then they review some brain-mushing whinging acoustic gig in Whelans and make out that it was a life-changing experience. This attitude has dominated irish music for years and that's why nothing has emerged.

I always found it amazing that Northern Ireland produced Ash and Therapy? in the 90's who were massive, while we produced nothing of the genre in those days. Even at a lower level NI produced great rock bands. But down here with our backward cosy little clique of music hacks, they are suppressed totally and looked down upon as some sort of oddities who appeal to confused teenagers who hang around Central Bank. Well excuse me, but aren't they the ones downloading tracks all day and buying concert tickets??

Back in 1998-2000 there were 4 or 5 Irish punk and metal bands who were very very good, but were totally ignored by the press. A few LP reviews in Hot Press was all it amounted to. If it wasn't for Phantom FM, there would be virtually no live rock music in Dublin today. They were incredible in the late 90's and continue to be vital. As Wednesday said, it's not the music that's the problem, it's the press. It's no coincidence that once an Irish band signs to a big UK Indie label or a major, they make a career, at least for a few years anyway. And as soon as that happens, the Irish hacks perform a u-turn and laud them as the next U2.... they're a bunch of failed musicians and amateur bitter little gimps. They're to blame, not Louis Walsh, who has done nothing but create some successful pop acts. He has no connection to the Irish Music scene that we're discussing in my opinion...

rant over
 

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erigena said:
sackville said:
The working class worked for living - hence the name, A guy called Dave.

I could on but I think the OP of this thread is too important to allow the topic to be diverted into a futile 'discussion' on the definition of class .


an important and revelatory post - back on topic!
Thanks, sackville. Sorry about leaving this thread alone for a while; I gig in the US, and it's our busiest time of year. As you point out, it is vitally important that the Irish music business get sorted. We are making asses of ourselves with this transfer of money from quality music to pop crap. As for John waters, time to dig out the fr. Ted “my lovely horse” episode.

Wrt the post after you, who is Louis Walsh really? Alternatively put, where did he get the resources to finance the numerous failures as well as the few successes? Why is a return of Boyzone the best he can come up with now after apparently scaling the heights of the international music biz?Lest we forget, the brit charts are notoriously rigged, the sales numbers are low, and not even Paddy Power will take bets on them. Secondly, did anyone notice that the same Murdoch-affiliated publisher that gave Ms. Ahern her contract and uses numerous ghost-writers just gave GW Bush's daughter a publishing contract? Why did IMRO collect for Murdoch's sky?

As I have already pointed out, the real meat can be read on seanonuallain.com. For the moment, in this more cautious venue, I offer a few predictions

1.We will never hear of Louis Walsh again after the current media funeral services
2.Likewise, Mumba, Boyzone, etc
3.Ms Ahern will experience writer's block if FF fail to get in again. Permanently.

It is up to us to make sure this grotesquerie never happens again. I live in hope that the Rory Gallaghers and Phil Lynotts out there will come out of hiding soon.
a case of cherchez les neocons -yet again?
 

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alonso said:
If it wasn't for Phantom FM, there would be virtually no live rock music in Dublin today. They were incredible in the late 90's and continue to be vital.
just look at the trouble they had to get back on the air! :x
 

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All over this country the Live music scene in pubs and clubs is dwindling in the face of piped music and so called DJs who wouldn't know a musical instrument from a record needle.
there's several reasons for that, but one of the basic ones is simply that most people go to pubs to chat and joke with their mates, and to meet members of the opposite sex, and live music tends to be played at a much higher volume, making socialising difficult. Pubs make more money when people are standing up joking and drinking, than when people are standing up staring at a band and drinking
 

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alonso said:
While I don't know much about the IMRO debacle, I did spend many years in a punk band, releasing albums and touring the UK, and played a few shows in the US. There is a plethora of problems in Ireland for rock bands to overcome.

Metal and Punk and alternative music is absolutely massive in Ireland, and always has been, yet no band from any of these genres has ever emerged from this country. My old band were one of the few to escape the Irish scene when we were playing, despite the existence of better bands here. But this isn't just an Irish problem. The UK is the same. Western rock music is totally dominated by the US. It's difficult for a lot of UK bands to forge a career as well, but the sheer size of the market makes touring at a lower level much more feasible and many keep touring and releasing while having other careers...

As long as Hot Press and the insular Whelans indie scene remains the dominant force, we'll never change. People like Kevin Courtney are an absolute disgrace. Any time they review any gig that features a metal or a punk band, the piece is dripping with patronising sarcasm, depsite the gig being at the Point, and despite the band being grammy winning multi-platinum artists. Then they review some brain-mushing whinging acoustic gig in Whelans and make out that it was a life-changing experience. This attitude has dominated irish music for years and that's why nothing has emerged.

I always found it amazing that Northern Ireland produced Ash and Therapy? in the 90's who were massive, while we produced nothing of the genre in those days. Even at a lower level NI produced great rock bands. But down here with our backward cosy little clique of music hacks, they are suppressed totally and looked down upon as some sort of oddities who appeal to confused teenagers who hang around Central Bank. Well excuse me, but aren't they the ones downloading tracks all day and buying concert tickets??

And as soon as that happens, the Irish hacks perform a u-turn and laud them as the next U2.... they're a bunch of failed musicians and amateur bitter little gimps. They're to blame, not Louis Walsh, who has done nothing but create some successful pop acts. He has no connection to the Irish Music scene that we're discussing in my opinion...

rant over

There always are Irish metal/punk bands with something interesting to say. It is the same urban environment in the larger Irish towns/cities as all over the Anglo-American world, and our bands are good for the same reason that James Joyce is good.

Glad you brought up the issue of the critics, Alonso. The Irish Times is a farce in music as in politics, post its PD makeover in 2001. For jazz and trad, it is exactly the situation you describe. In fact, it was inevitable that the main IT apologist for FF would get his version of “my lovely horse” inflicted on us. Finally, on this topic, the IT is a dinosaur; believe it or not, it used to feature the kind of lively discussion we're having here on p.ie.

I disagree with you about Louis Walsh. There seemed to be an unhealthy closeness between the CEO of IMRO, a FF hack, and Westlife. They admit to “investing” in acts; one that married into the PM's family, perhaps? IMRO should be wound down, and da thuisce e is ea is fearr. In the meantime, the live scene will get a shot in the arm if IMRO is forbidden from collecting for live music. It may shock people to know that they do not have to account to their members for royalties, and that they claim to own all of Irish trad music. (They are a private company). We need to set up a rights/royalties agency along the lines of weedshare, if better.

Finally, it does look as though IMRO is going down in flames, and I wonder if our p.ie discussion had a role. Shay Hennessy was replaced 18 months ago by our friend c. Moore; it looks as though the chair and U2-connected vice chair just resigned. Having successfully sued U2's record distribution “service”, and been paid by a Paul McGuinness company, I smell blood.
 

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The reason we're not producing any bands, musicians etc is because of one person and that person is Louis Walsh.
He destroyed the opportunities for Live bands by introducting crap 'so called' music with his boy/girl groups who couldn't sing, play musicial instruments and made their money from pre-teens (usually girls) who pestered their parents to buy such drivel.

It was him and his ilk who destroyed the Irish Music industry and he should never be forgiven.

All over this country the Live music scene in pubs and clubs is dwindling in the face of piped music and so called DJs who wouldn't know a musical instrument from a record needle.
agree totally . They should all be shot . Before him we had Planxty , the Undertones ,Lizzy , Gallagher , Horslips , The Blades ,Aslan , Moving Hearts..ffs sake that was quality stuff .
Id wholeheartedly encourage people to track down whatever gobshite Dublin muso writers ,artsy fartsy smartypants and whoever else is responsible for this woeful state of affairs and set them on fire as a lesson to all oxygen theives , boybands , X factor wannabes and exploiters of aforementioned wannabes and whoever else can be blamed for the s.hite polluting our airwaves and televison screens.
Boyzone have to take a lot of the blame but thankfully at least one of them got beaten up in a chippy at the Sligo fleadh a few years agocfor being a hair gel encrusted ponce that wore pantaloons.
I also believe making it illegal foranyone under 12 to listen to music or be sold a recording would finish the likes of Louis Walsh in this country at least .
Fine Gaels Jim Mitchell is apparently using Simon Cowell as an election gimmick which makes him doubly evil . What type of example is that to set ?
 

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Theres plently of Irish alternative bands with records out on foreign record labels. Though none of them are the type of bands who'll suddenly be breaking the charts and appearing on TOTP, they've still got good reputations abroad.
 

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merle haggard said:
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agree totally . They should all be shot . Before him we had Planxty , the Undertones ,Lizzy , Gallagher , Horslips , The Blades ,Aslan , Moving Hearts..ffs sake that was quality stuff .
Id wholeheartedly encourage people to track down whatever gobshite Dublin muso writers ,artsy fartsy smartypants and whoever else is responsible for this woeful state of affairs and set them on fire as a lesson to all oxygen theives , boybands , X factor wannabes and exploiters of aforementioned wannabes and whoever else can be blamed for the s.hite polluting our airwaves and televison screens.
Boyzone have to take a lot of the blame but thankfully at least one of them got beaten up in a chippy at the Sligo fleadh a few years agocfor being a hair gel encrusted ponce that wore pantaloons.
I also believe making it illegal foranyone under 12 to listen to music or be sold a recording would finish the likes of Louis Walsh in this country at least .
Fine Gaels Jim Mitchell is apparently using Simon Cowell as an election gimmick which makes him doubly evil . What type of example is that to set ?
Much as I admire the sentiments of this and merle's other postings of this wild night, this would be Gay Mitchell? And that would be Westlife?
 

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eh it was alan shatter wasn't it
 

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merle haggard said:
was he in westlife ? They all look the same to me .
Westlife are a group who specialise in a recycled and repetitive product which bores many people to death. Alan Shatter is in Fine Gael :)
 

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Gerrry said:
alonso:
I did spend many years in a punk band
Who were you with?
ah that'd be tellin. Google a few details from my original post and have a few guesses
 

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A chairde,

Just returned from doing a gig in Santa Cruz, ca. My partner had been on radio the day before, and described meeting an irish mandolin player due to go on after her. He described how he can't get any work in Ireland, finds it sinister, and is moving to NY. Some discreet inquiries revealed this to be Jimmy Crowley, who had several national hits, and used to be huge.

Some weeks ago, Muireann nic Amhlaoibh (ex-Danu) said the same thing from the stage of one of the bigger clubs here.

Now look at imro.ie, board of directors. No cathaoirleach, no leas-chathaoirleach. Maybe, just maybe, we can take them out before this whole generation of musicians is gone.
 

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isnt the demise of the trad thing a reflection on modern ireland ,rather than the fault of imro?
 

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