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The Italian Politics Thread


FloatingVoterTralee

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Might be useful to keep a running thread active here on the ever-shifting faultlines in the Italian party system, now that their general election is fast-approaching. Since Monti assumed power in November 2011, the People of Freedom has torn its apart over the future of Berlusconi - first he appointed Angelino Alfano as his anointed successor, before swiftly retracting his endorsement. Now, it appears Silvio is set to formly splinter the party, by announcing the reformation of Forza Italia, with his opponents remaining in the PdL. The centre-left Democratic Party, however, is far from celebrating, as it fears the popularity of Beppe Grillo's "none-of-the-above" Five Star Movement would deprive it of an overall majority. Whatever the result, the fractious nature of Italian politics looks set to continue.
 
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Can I jsut say the Mara Carfaga post tops all possible commentary. hat tip ribeye
 
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Mara Carfagna!

That is all!

:)
 

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Good thread, as the sum total of my knowledge of Italian politics is from the movie Il Divo and the Economist's article on Berlusconi "The Man who screwed a Nation".
 

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Good thread, as the sum total of my knowledge of Italian politics is from the movie Il Divo and the Economist's article on Berlusconi "The Man who screwed a Nation".
And Mara Carfagna,

Lucky fecker:)
 

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Even without Berlusconi, we're now up to 11 parties possibly entering parliament:

The Left:

Democratic Party (formerly the Socialists, for the most part)
Left, Ecology, Freedom (partly green, to the left of the DP)
Federation of the Left (rebranded Communists)

The Centre:

Christian Democrats (formally called UDC)
Italy of Values (anti-corruption liberals)
Future and Freedom (vehicle for Gianfranco Fini, a Berlusconi rival)
Towards the Third Republic (vehicle for Monti)
Five Star Movement (possibly left, but no ideological position)

The Right

People of Freedom
Northern League
The Right (eurosceptics, former Libertas members)
 

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Pier Luigi Bersani remains favourite to become the next Prime Minister after winning yesterday's Democratic Party primary, defeating the Mayor of Florence, Matteo Renzi, 61-39%.
 

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The PdL has abstained from a confidence vote in the Monti government, and Berlusconi is reportedly been pressed to "return to the field".
 

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Can any one imagine some one like Berlusconi here ;)
 

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All kicking off in Rome tonight - first Berlusconi officially confirms his return, then Monti has offered his resignation to the President, so elections now look like being brought forward to January.
 

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Why are so may Italians stupid enough to vote for Forza Italia, which Berlusconi leads. Do they not realise that Berlusconi is a scumbag?
 

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well - Bunga Bunga man must be in real fear that he is finally going to do some porridge....not before time.

God - it hard to know what to say here...........Berlusconi is like Charlie Haughey Mark I - will say any populist sh^te to get into office - but then does the exact opposite once there.........I always got the impression that he really wasn't that interested in governing.....had no vision about what he wanted to do - he just liked the glamour of the position and spent most of his time promoting his only personal interests..........thats why I thought he ran in the first place in 94 - to save his own ass and the get the clean hands enquiries shut down as soon as possible as everybody in Italy knows the git wouldn't have amassed what he did without dealing with the brotherhoods.........his time as premier was a gigantic waste of time - stagnation all around - Italy needs better now

I don't know this time - I think his ego has got the better of him - some of the plastic on his head has finally got into his brain - maybe it is better that he goes before the electorate and gets soundly thrashed..- PDL are trailing badly in the polls.....Italy, in general, has had enough of him - his time is over - he should go back to his villa, grow his tomatoes and party on with the girls and leave the politics to those younger and more able.
 

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Why are so may Italians stupid enough to vote for Forza Italia, which Berlusconi leads. Do they not realise that Berlusconi is a scumbag?
Basically, Italian politics is virtually identical to ours, they invariably opt for centre-right governments, and since the Christian Democrats imploded, the PdL have become the only alternative to the centre-left. Also, like our system, the politics is almost totally devoid of ideology and revolves entirely around personality. This time, however, Berlusconi's image has finally become a negative due to his economic bungling, and half his own party wants him to take a permanent retirement, so finally looks like the PdL are heading for an FF-level meltdown (indeed, even more so, due to the absence of STV).
 

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Basically, Italian politics is virtually identical to ours, they invariably opt for centre-right governments, and since the Christian Democrats imploded, the PdL have become the only alternative to the centre-left. Also, like our system, the politics is almost totally devoid of ideology and revolves entirely around personality. This time, however, Berlusconi's image has finally become a negative due to his economic bungling, and half his own party wants him to take a permanent retirement, so finally looks like the PdL are heading for an FF-level meltdown (indeed, even more so, due to the absence of STV).
I've just realised that Forza Italia was dissolved on 27 March 2009.
 

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Rather astute performance from Monti today, not ruling himself out of politics, but careful not to show his hand too early. The PD and PdL having confirmed leaders, his best option appears to be the Christian Democrats, if his name gets them into double figures percentage-wise, they could hold the balance of power.
 

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Rather astute performance from Monti today, not ruling himself out of politics, but careful not to show his hand too early. The PD and PdL having confirmed leaders, his best option appears to be the Christian Democrats, if his name gets them into double figures percentage-wise, they could hold the balance of power.
Monti has formally thrown his hat in the ring, with backing from former Berlusconi ally, Gianfranco Fini, the Christian Democrats, and a parliamentary bloc that firstroposed his candidacy. By some quirk of Italian electoral law, they're all on the ballot separately, but their combined figure makes them into the fourth major electoral bloc.
 

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Monti has formally thrown his hat in the ring, with backing from former Berlusconi ally, Gianfranco Fini, the Christian Democrats, and a parliamentary bloc that firstroposed his candidacy. By some quirk of Italian electoral law, they're all on the ballot separately, but their combined figure makes them into the fourth major electoral bloc.
Its Italian electoral law that needs reforming, and media ownership law too. The most damning thing about all of this is that those who dedicated years to pulling down the old perv Belusconi, were entirely unable to replace him. So Italy ended up with Monti, after another Eurocrat failed. If Monti gets back in, and I hope to hell he does, he and his allies should reform the basic political electoral system in Italy. As it is, it seems only to deliver paralysis and corruption. Silvio may have done a hell of alot wrong in his time, but in the end his opponents only got him with the same sort of tricks that took down Al Capone. And in the interim the regional representitives in opposition have overseen some of the most corrupt electoral districts in Italian history, just like practically every other Italian party.
 

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Silvio's gone! Well half-gone at any rate, the Northern League would only agree to a pact with the PdL if Berlusconi withdrew as a candidate for PM. Mind you, such is the left's lead, that the question seems immaterial in any event.

Common Good (Democratic Party and allies): 40%
Right-wing Coalition: 25%
Five-Star Movement (NOTA): 16%
Monti's Agenda for Italy: 12%
 

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Silvio's gone! Well half-gone at any rate, the Northern League would only agree to a pact with the PdL if Berlusconi withdrew as a candidate for PM. Mind you, such is the left's lead, that the question seems immaterial in any event.

Common Good (Democratic Party and allies): 40%
Right-wing Coalition: 25%
Five-Star Movement (NOTA): 16%
Monti's Agenda for Italy: 12%
I can't say I'm suprirsed that Monti isn't doing better, but it is a great pity. What Italy will now get is a left wing coalition, who will promise to cut nothing and increase taxes on dam near noone, then get into power and dither for years, before either collapsing or eventually making the decisions it should have made on day one. It's alll so reptitive that it's very frustrating, although at that it's still better than Berlusconi.

What should happen is the the right should adopt Monti as their candidate for Prime Minister and merge with his block, which would make things interesting and give me some hope.
 
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