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The life of Bertie!What has this gov ever done for us thread



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Presided over the greatest period of growth any western country has seen since the W german economic miracle and played a part in bring peace to NI- apart from that little or nothing really.
 

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Bertie Ahern has done nothing for us.

This myth about the economy--it follows cycles of boom,recession.depression -he just happened to be in at the right time.

Now be Honest have any of you really experienced a rise in your standard of living under Aherns administration and if you have I bet that comes with a heavy debt.

this state is doing so well that a long term employer like Waterford crystal layed off 375 workers--27% of whom had taken out mortguages in the previous 3 months to them being layed off.

This feel good factor is all delusional--how many of those 05 cars are actually paid for without hire purchase.


Where did fruit of the loom go?
 

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AS for the northern peace process---bending over and taking it up the rear from Paisley right left and center and being told to keep his dirty hands off northern Ireland by the same without even a whimper of objection is not very assertive or statesman like.

He has yet to raise concerns about the nationalists in Antrim and all over the north who are being fire bombed out of their homes on a nightly basis by Loya;lists
 

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God ye are the biggest shower of ungrateful b******d


Do people not remember the dark days of FG in power.............................................................................................................AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 

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well to be honest Kenny cant be any worse than Johnny Brutal and Garret the Gobshite---or can he
 

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Re: The life of Bertie!What has this gov ever done for us th

midget said:
Besides the smoking Ban
Bogus cycle tracks that have to be shared with cars?

Increasng the old-age pension while also increasing the home-help charges by more?
 

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Trojanhorse said:
God ye are the biggest shower of ungrateful b******d


Do people not remember the dark days of FG in power.............................................................................................................AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Can you not do any better then that?
 

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martin TYRONE said:
Bertie Ahern has done nothing for us.
In the 1980s – the Irish economy was the weakest in Europe and Irish people were unemployed, underemployed and too often unable to live in their own country.

Ireland today enjoys the second lowest national debt, the second highest minimum wage, the biggest spend on infrastructure and the fastest growth in spending on health in Europe, and the most generous tax and welfare system in the world for single-income families on the average minimum wage.

The driving force behind the Government is An Taoiseach Bertie Ahern.
 

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[quote="TKwhiskers

In the 1980s – the Irish economy was the weakest in Europe and Irish people were unemployed, underemployed and too often unable to live in their own country.

Ireland today enjoys the second lowest national debt, the second highest minimum wage, the biggest spend on infrastructure and the fastest growth in spending on health in Europe, and the most generous tax and welfare system in the world for single-income families on the average minimum wage.

The driving force behind the Government is An Taoiseach Bertie Ahern.
[/quote]


Oh God you're sad. Ireland's near bankruptcy in the 1980s is traced directly back to the Fianna Fail election manifesto of 1977. The IMF almost had to be called in thanks to FF's mad spending at a time when the world was hurtling into recession. Do you know the first thing about economics, TK? As for our current economy, you amazingly forgot to mention that the 1994-97 Rainbow government was the first in 25 years to deliver a budget surplus, and handed over an economy which was creating 1000 jobs a week to the present incumbent. Today, manufacturing jobs, under the same incumbent, are being shed at an alarming rate, thanks in no small part to our increasing competitiveness deficit - thanks largely to this Government's failure to tackle vested interests throughout the economy, and develop our infrastructure to standard western levels. While direct taxes are low, and the minimum wage is superficially high, huge indirect taxes on consumption and services disproportionally hurt the less well-off in society, thus negating all minimum wage gains. And as for Bertie Ahern being the "driver of the economy" - don't make me laugh. This is the same Bertie Ahern who promised, in the 2002 General Election campaign, to have a Dublin metro by 2007, and a fully-functional, privately-owned independent terminal for Dublin Airport in the same timeframe. Both essential to drive the economy. Both not happening. So please don't pretend that Ahern is some kind of economic genius, coz he ain't. All he's interested in is keeping his grubby little hands on the levers of power.
 

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The IMF almost had to be called in thanks to FF's mad spending at a time when the world was hurtling into recession
You do know that happened during the FG/Lab government, don't you. Or are you blaming that on FF anyway?
 

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[quote:1dnf2g3n]The IMF almost had to be called in thanks to FF's mad spending at a time when the world was hurtling into recession
You do know that happened during the FG/Lab government, don't you. Or are you blaming that on FF anyway?
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Yes, of course I know that. And yes, I am blaming it on FF - as does any economist with half a brain. FG/LAB inherited an almost impossible situation, and quite simply had to take drastic measures to keep the IMF out. Any idea who left them with that mess to clean up? Think hard about it. But over the 4 years of the FG/LAB govt, at a time of high worldwide inflation, they managed to stabilise the national debt and budget deficit in absolute terms - effectively reducing it.
 

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Yes, of course I know that. And yes, I am blaming it on FF - as does any economist with half a brain. FG/LAB inherited an almost impossible situation, and quite simply had to take drastic measures to keep the IMF out. Any idea who left them with that mess to clean up? Think hard about it. But over the 4 years of the FG/LAB govt, at a time of high worldwide inflation, they managed to stabilise the national debt and budget deficit in absolute terms - effectively reducing it.
Ask the tens, or hundreds, of thousands of Irish people forced to leave their own country during the last, glorious, full-term FG/Lab government whether it was a good administration. Given that even senior FG figures admit that it was a desperately poor government (and try and blame Labour for its failings) I'm surprised you're trying to defend it. I won't defend the economic record of the FF government from '77. But we've seen countless times before that independent thinking isn't a strong point of many FG posters on this site.
 


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