The McCann Case

Cruimh

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How a mother's children were taken away forever

The BBC airs a program looking at the McCann Case and Ne Temere

Mixing Marriages can be heard on Thursday, 11 November at 7.30pm. 92-95FM & DAB digital radio, digital TV and online at bbc.co.uk/radioulster now.
Nobody knows what happened to the children.

A terrible and disastrous ruling by the Church.
 
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Truly a ghastly story. There is no justification for this.
 
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Ne Termere was a disaster. All it served to do was to pour oil on troubled waters, especially the way the courts in Ireland essentially enforced this piece of canon law.

You'd wonder what happened to the kids though.
 

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i always wonder why the mother subsequently cleaned the apartment and washed the child's pet toy.
 

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Interesting - watching Brides In the Bath with Martin Kemp - which revolves around bigamy.

If Mr McCann had remarried before his wife got a civil divorce - in the eyes of the state would he have been a bigamist ? I'd imagine yes in the UK, but as it seems possible he moved to what became the Free State - would have been an interesting dilemma legally for the Free State.
 

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Ne Termere was a disaster. All it served to do was to pour oil on troubled waters, especially the way the courts in Ireland essentially enforced this piece of canon law.

You'd wonder what happened to the kids though.
I think you mean petrol ! BTW what was the name of the arrangement which preceeded Ne Temere whereby the boys were brought up as Protestants and the girls as Catholics. I think the notion was that the girls , as putative mothers, would influence the religion of their children more so than the men.
The book - My Lady of the Chimney Corner - by Alexander Irvine and set in Antrim -was about such an arrangement.
 

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I was reading about Ne Temere today and the McCann case of 1910. It came as news to me as I hadn't heard of it before.

Reminder of the case here:
BBC News - How a mother's children were taken away forever

Was Ne Temere responsible for the upsurge in sectarianism and religious bigotry in Northern Ireland and possibly elsewhere? According to the document linked here, 18th and 19th century NI had a pragmatic tradition whereby sons followed their father's religion and daughters followed their mother's. Seems quite pragmatic alright and allows for mixed marriages to continue relatively peacefully.

Then, all of a sudden, a decree in 1908 and all hell breaks loose. Just two generations later and the place was an utter mess.

Personally, I have little doubt from what I've read today that this disastrous catholic policy did indeed contribute substantially to the religious problems in NI.

And that McCann case made me sick. That poor woman. FFS. I thought I was maxed out on contempt for the catholic church but no, it just keeps on giving.
 

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Jaysis, that's news to me too. I've put the book on my wanted list but I know already that it will anger me greatly.
It won't... it's a good read. Paints a very interesting picture of times. Made me thankful I wasn't born 50 years earlier though!
 

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I was reading about Ne Temere today and the McCann case of 1910. It came as news to me as I hadn't heard of it before.

Reminder of the case here:
BBC News - How a mother's children were taken away forever

Was Ne Temere responsible for the upsurge in sectarianism and religious bigotry in Northern Ireland and possibly elsewhere? According to the document linked here, 18th and 19th century NI had a pragmatic tradition whereby sons followed their father's religion and daughters followed their mother's. Seems quite pragmatic alright and allows for mixed marriages to continue relatively peacefully.

Then, all of a sudden, a decree in 1908 and all hell breaks loose. Just two generations later and the place was an utter mess.

Personally, I have little doubt from what I've read today that this disastrous catholic policy did indeed contribute substantially to the religious problems in NI.

And that McCann case made me sick. That poor woman. FFS. I thought I was maxed out on contempt for the catholic church but no, it just keeps on giving.
The McCann case seemed to confirm the worst fears of some and validate the concerns of many. Before it broke there was still substantial support for Home Rule at the annual Presbyterian assembly - circa a third of the delegates. After the McCann case no delegates supported Home Rule.

But it has to be taken in the context of the time - the RCC was having a crack down on what it considered liberalism and modernism within its ranks - hence the oath of 1910 - and appeared in a very aggressive light.
 

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It won't... it's a good read. Paints a very interesting picture of times. Made me thankful I wasn't born 50 years earlier though!
Do you ever think that if you were born 50 years earlier you'd have just told those fcking arsehole priests to fck off? I do, and I'll never ever understand how people didn't back then. It's beyond me..
 

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The McCann case seemed to confirm the worst fears of some and validate the concerns of many. Before it broke there was still substantial support for Home Rule at the annual Presbyterian assembly - circa a third of the delegates. After the McCann case no delegates supported Home Rule.

But it has to be taken in the context of the time - the RCC was having a crack down on what it considered liberalism and modernism within its ranks - hence the oath of 1910 - and appeared in a very aggressive light.
An oath against modernism, of all things. Well, there you have it.
 

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Do you ever think that if you were born 50 years earlier you'd have just told those fcking arsehole priests to fck off? I do, and I'll never ever understand how people didn't back then. It's beyond me..
No you wouldn't you'd have been of the time. If poor you would have had no recourse to any assistance the priest and the church would likely have been your only support. If well educated and working you'd have known better than to risk everything by offending the clergy. There was a rank above fear of the church but mostly it was not in their interest to oppose the religious.
 

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I'm sick of hearing about this one case. Thousands of other kids missing across Europe. Wonder why neglect charges were never brought. Sorry if I sound heartless but the media are using her name to make money.
 

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I'm sick of hearing about this one case. Thousands of other kids missing across Europe. Wonder why neglect charges were never brought. Sorry if I sound heartless but the media are using her name to make money.
Oops.
 


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