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The McCarthy Report : Should this Government implement it?


gerhard dengler

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http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/pressreleases/2009/bl100vol1.pdf

McCarthy report delivered in 2009 detailed annual savings totalling €5.3 billion in a 12 month period.
"On the basis of the Special Group’s consideration of the issues arising in each area, the Group has been able to identify potential expenditure savings of €5.3bn in a full year........."

Given that there have been 5 austerity budgets, in 2012 Ireland had current government expenditure totalling €49.5 billion and a government budget deficit €15 billion.
(it could be argued that if the promissory note payment made at 31/3/2012 had been accounted for - the deficit would be €18.1 billion).

Is it time to implement McCarthy?
 
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Yes.

The Idea that taxation can be taken to provide a lifestyle that cannot be earned in the private sector that funds it is immoral.

The Idea that any government can establish Quangos as a means of patronage for an elite is immoral.

The state needs to provide services, not lifestyles.
 
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Yes.

The Idea that taxation can be taken to provide a lifestyle that cannot be earned in the private sector that funds it is immoral.

The Idea that any government can establish Quangos as a means of patronage for an elite is immoral.

The state needs to provide services, not lifestyles.
Too many interest groups would be affected.
And then imagine the very idea of redundancies in quangos-goodness me!
 

Victor Meldrew

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Too many interest groups would be affected.
And then imagine the very idea of redundancies in quangos-goodness me!
What is needed is a frank conversation with the PS. You are VERY lucky to have employment. We need to REDEPLOY you. Many of you will retire. (natural attrition / age profile). You will have the most harmless reorganisation of your work conditions imaginable. Now suck it up.
 

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What is needed is a frank conversation with the PS. You are VERY lucky to have employment. We need to REDEPLOY you. Many of you will retire. (natural attrition / age profile). You will have the most harmless reorganisation of your work conditions imaginable. Now suck it up.
Very few in the PS would be unhappy with that.
 

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An interesting example of how difficult any attempt at implementing any change in this country was shown tonight on RTE. There is a proposal to sell the harvesting rights on Coillte lands. RTE, in the interest of "balance" presented a parade of vested interests opposed to the proposal. Now, I like to walk in some forests during the summer but they were not planted as recreation areas and there are some who question whether the conifer plantations add to the scenery but the fact remains that all taxpayers pay for the upkeep of forests whereas only a small minority use them for recreation. Interestingly, Eamonn Ryan was a proponent of sustainable harvesting of the trees.
There are too many state resources which are regarded as the personal property of those who benefit directly from them and until the rest of us take possession of what our taxes provide, we will have no change in their use.
 

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Very few in the PS would be unhappy with that.
Yeah right. Remember when they were changing the name of FAS - staff wanted disruption pay, just to change the name on the door!

Very few in the PS would be HAPPY with changes!
 

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No problem with the general thrust of what McCarthy proposed if my memory is correct. What I would like to know is was there a tender for the service he provided and if not why not. How does he continue to just be given work by the Government and does he receive a fee every time he appears on RTE. Just curious
 

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What is needed is a frank conversation with the PS. You are VERY lucky to have employment. We need to REDEPLOY you. Many of you will retire. (natural attrition / age profile). You will have the most harmless reorganisation of your work conditions imaginable. Now suck it up.
Quangos are not public/civil servants.......they do not have jobs for life......but because they are "goodies" that can be given out by the political class, they have been fully protected..............you can't give a buddy a 100k job in the public service over the heads of people who have worked their way up through the ranks, because the unions would never allow it......but you can do what you like with quangos and "special" advisers.
 

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Quangos are not public/civil servants.......they do not have jobs for life......but because they are "goodies" that can be given out by the political class, they have been fully protected..............you can't give a buddy a 100k job in the public service over the heads of people who have worked their way up through the ranks, because the unions would never allow it......but you can do what you like with quangos and "special" advisers.
There is a lot of redeployment to be done in the PS. However I get the distinction with some Quangos. Many create their own industry and language. The poverty industry. How many are employed there? would removing all funding and just dealing with welfare traps have a better impact?
 

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There is a lot of redeployment to be done in the PS. However I get the distinction with some Quangos. Many create their own industry and language. The poverty industry. How many are employed there? would removing all funding and just dealing with welfare traps have a better impact?
Fergus Finlay for example?

On how about for TD's and Ministers landing cushy numbers in the poverty industry?
Barry Andrews managed to ensconce himself at GOAL.
Presumably he's got a lump sum and a TD's pension for his troubles?

Or Peter Power?
He's on a Ministers pension and TD's pension.
Where is he now? You guessed it, he's employed by UNICEF.
 

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What is needed is a frank conversation with the PS. You are VERY lucky to have employment. We need to REDEPLOY you. Many of you will retire. (natural attrition / age profile). You will have the most harmless reorganisation of your work conditions imaginable. Now suck it up.

Compulsory re-deployment was part of Croke Park 1.

On the morning after ASTI finally voted to accept the CPA, the re-deployment lists were sent out to schools. No discussion.

There was plenty of "re-organisation of work conditions". That's what the CPA was about..
 

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There is a lot of redeployment to be done in the PS. However I get the distinction with some Quangos. Many create their own industry and language. The poverty industry. How many are employed there? would removing all funding and just dealing with welfare traps have a better impact?
You might see it as "the poverty industry"

But just listen to the screaming when somebody's pet quango is closed or merged. Callers to Joe Duffy...."My pet quango,Joe, closed...and the waste that's going on in the country"

Ming Flanagan in full "Roscommon hospital mode": "They're closing the Border and Mid-Western Development quango--the only means these poor forgotten people in Roscommon and Sligo and Donegal have of getting their voices heard. It's a scandal"

Everyone wants the "hard decisions"--but not the ones that effect themselves
 

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You might see it as "the poverty industry"

But just listen to the screaming when somebody's pet quango is closed or merged. Callers to Joe Duffy...."My pet quango,Joe, closed...and the waste that's going on in the country"

Ming Flanagan in full "Roscommon hospital mode": "They're closing the Border and Mid-Western Development quango--the only means these poor forgotten people in Roscommon and Sligo and Donegal have of getting their voices heard. It's a scandal"

Everyone wants the "hard decisions"--but not the ones that effect themselves
That's true.

But one of the core responsibilities of government is to take action that is in the overall national interest, even if it is unpopular with those affected.

The McCarthy Report should have been implemented. But, let's be honest, we don't need expensive reports to highlight the sort of bullsh1t that passes for government in this country.
 

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The idea definitely has merit.

With all the cuts that have occured, I imagine some of it has been. But it definitely is something that should be looked at again.
 

Victor Meldrew

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That's true.

But one of the core responsibilities of government is to take action that is in the overall national interest, even if it is unpopular with those affected.

The McCarthy Report should have been implemented. But, let's be honest, we don't need expensive reports to highlight the sort of bullsh1t that passes for government in this country.
Which is why I have no time for "rebel TDs" "voting on principle". You are in govt because you are in a party. Suck it up and be a team player.

Without the party and govt whip, we have 166 petulant toddlers fighting over who gets the most biccies...
 

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Which is why I have no time for "rebel TDs" "voting on principle". You are in govt because you are in a party. Suck it up and be a team player.

Without the party and govt whip, we have 166 petulant toddlers fighting over who gets the most biccies...

But if it was your "biccies" that were being taken away, you would feel the same. One man's biccies is another man's hard-earned money that the traitor government is "dipping into" and "raiding"

There is something in our human makeup that makes us always see ourselves as a special case. How dare the government touch anything belonging to us, when it is so obvious to any right-thinking person that it is the other fellow who should be taking the hit....

In a democracy where people use their vote to express their dis-satisfaction or approval, there is no use pretending that taking money off people or slashing their long-cherished pet projects is not problematical...

It is deeply so.

It is only our slight personal distance from the consequence of such cuts that makes us think otherwise....("simples"...just do it...end of...why don't they get on with it....surely they would prefer to take the big hit now and know where they stand...suck it up...etc.)
 
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