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The NHS is being broken-up and privatised


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NHS in England on fast track to privatisation, Labour warns | GPonline.com

It would seem a lot of NHS staff are being made redundant as many direct services are now being provided for by private contractors etc. This is a step beyond simply supporting existing state provided services, we are talking about whole Trusts etc moving out of public control. The end basically of the NHS.

Are we likely to see similar here? Mass redundancies appear to be on the government agenda if war with the union break out here.
 


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Sabre rattling by the Left in the run up to the local and Euro elections. The NHS is not being privatised. The largest employer in Europe is merely being tinkered with. Take no notice.
 

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NHS in England on fast track to privatisation, Labour warns | GPonline.com

It would seem a lot of NHS staff are being made redundant as many direct services are now being provided for by private contractors etc. This is a step beyond simply supporting existing state provided services, we are talking about whole Trusts etc moving out of public control. The end basically of the NHS.

Are we likely to see similar here? Mass redundancies appear to be on the government agenda if war with the union break out here.
No doubt that this is happening but it's only just started. People haven't woken up to the reality yet and won't until they see things go wrong. Cleverly the government has passed the responsibility for commissioning services to consortia led by GPs, so when it all falls apart they will get the blame. I fully expect to be working for Richard Branson in less than 5 years...
 

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Sabre rattling by the Left in the run up to the local and Euro elections. The NHS is not being privatised. The largest employer in Europe is merely being tinkered with. Take no notice.

If only. Every single service will be tendered to the private sector who are hanging around like vultures to cherry pick high profit specialties and services.
 

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No doubt that this is happening but it's only just started. People haven't woken up to the reality yet and won't until they see things go wrong. Cleverly the government has passed the responsibility for commissioning services to consortia led by GPs, so when it all falls apart they will get the blame. I fully expect to be working for Richard Branson in less than 5 years...
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If only. Every single service will be tendered to the private sector who are hanging around like vultures to cherry pick high profit specialties and services.
It is a gift for staff with professional qualifications, God help the rest.
 

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Labour are not on the Left. This has been going on for years and will continue until you will only get the goods and services you can pay for . According to the financially erudite young turks here that's only common sense. Anything else is just not Austrian.
 

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If only. Every single service will be tendered to the private sector who are hanging around like vultures to cherry pick high profit specialties and services.
It is a gift for staff with professional qualifications, God help the rest.
 

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Labour are not on the Left. This has been going on for years and will continue until you will only get the goods and services you can pay for . According to the financially erudite young turks here that's only common sense. Anything else is just not Austrian.
They will still provide free services to the public, but the public will no longer the prime driver of the service. Retaining the contract and making money will be. I think private provision can work very well in something like the NHS to some extent but to hand the whole service over and break-up the management structure is likely to be a disaster, expect a lot of high volume profitable things to be done that are of little medical benefit to anyone.

The problem is at a political level it all boils down to simple figure on a graph, good health systems are difficult to reduce to that.
 

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If only. Every single service will be tendered to the private sector who are hanging around like vultures to cherry pick high profit specialties and services.
No. Won't happen. Although some very small parts may get outsourced, the bulk of this inefficient monolith will prevail. Even the Tories aren't stupid enough to mess too much with the NHS. Labour scaremongering.
 

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No. Won't happen. Although some very small parts may get outsourced, the bulk of this inefficient monolith will prevail. Even the Tories aren't stupid enough to mess too much with the NHS. Labour scaremongering.
The have already done it, they have allowed Trusts to out-source whatever they want and some are started large scale redundancies. Front line clinical staff have already got the P45s.

The outsourcing you talk about has been common place for 15-20 years in the NHS and indeed Labour was greatly in favour of it. This is of a different order, the management structures of the core services are leaving State control.
 

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Labour are not on the Left. This has been going on for years and will continue until you will only get the goods and services you can pay for . According to the financially erudite young turks here that's only common sense. Anything else is just not Austrian.
The top bods in the Labour Party may appear to be centrist, but the bulk of the party is full of leftist loons, trots and weirdo's. Far from being the party of the working man, they are now the party of the benefits claimant and the unemployable. Once the leadership of the party realise this and act on it, they will be returned to Government.
 

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God help the patients. They are inefficient economic units.
If they have the correct medical conditions they will fit nicely into the new economic and management structures.
 

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The have already done it, they have allowed Trusts to out-source whatever they want and some are started large scale redundancies. Front line clinical staff have already got the P45s.

The outsourcing you talk about has been common place for 15-20 years in the NHS and indeed Labour was greatly in favour of it. This is of a different order, the management structures of the core services are leaving State control.
I have no problem with this. At times, the NHS does seem to be more concerned with bring an major employer than bring a profession health service. That said, I would prefer for it to remain a public service provider in the main. But by all means boot any wasters and leftists union trots out though. And there is nothing wrong with centralising admin support if it cost efficient.
 

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The top bods in the Labour Party may appear to be centrist, but the bulk of the party is full of leftist loons, trots and weirdo's. Far from being the party of the working man, they are now the party of the benefits claimant and the unemployable. Once the leadership of the party realise this and act on it, they will be returned to Government.
I agree with you there, the Labour Party in England is Pro-private provision of services. Which in effect means it is in favour of working the middle and working classes hard to provide for the do nothing class. The service user still gets to be a lay about, but everyone will be running around the place a bit more. Or that is the aim.

The Tory aim is simply to reduce funding to the whole lot as much as possible and make money for their mates out of it if possible.
 

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I have no problem with this. At times, the NHS does seem to be more concerned with bring an major employer than bring a profession health service. That said, I would prefer for it to remain a public service provider in the main. But by all means boot any wasters and leftists union trots out though. And there is nothing wrong with centralising admin support if it cost efficient.
There has not been a central admin in the NHS for nearly 20 years, it is a series of local services really. The Trusts are all powerful and they will now be passed to private control.
 

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There has not been a central admin in the NHS for nearly 20 years, it is a series of local services really. The Trusts are all powerful and they will now be passed to private control.
The Trusts are only independent within the NHS. Can you see the middle classes allowing privatisation? I can't.
 

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