The NI Assembly - blame SF regardless agenda of RTE

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It's not just Tommy Gorman with the - Blame SF regardless - spin. Typical Keelin Shanley's practically uncritical interview with Jefferey Donaldson last Friday. Donaldson is allowed by Shanley to freely claim that the DUP’s ‘offer’ to SF and the other party’s is a new and different prospect when it’s nothing but blatantly the same i.e. Foster remaining as First Minister even while she and her party are being investigated regarding the RHI millions scandal while the parties continue talking about matters generally. Or in his words with “ negations continuing in parallel……. consensus …… agreement “ and meaningless waffle.

Donaldson is even allowed away with not one word of criticism that the Irish Language Act falsely claiming that 10% of public jobs will go to Irish speakers in future. He is then allowed to go on to claim the DUP want to go into the Assembly with “no preconditions” as if is the DUP’s precondition not to agree to Foster temporarily standing down while investigations go on into RHI, Red Sky and the ILA weren’t preconditions themselves !!

So folks, quite clearly the hired liars of the gombeen state are now batting for the DUP with the SF regardless agenda ??


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When discussing the Irish Language Act, it's a pity with Shanley and other hired liars that some reality couldn't be brought into the discussion with the DUP, since the SDLP, Alliance, PBP as well as SF support of the Act, that's 50 out of the 90 MLA's.


 

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No, Shanley is just utterly awful at her job. It's not some anti SF agenda.
 

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It's not just Tommy Gorman with the - Blame SF regardless - spin. Typical Keelin Shanley's practically uncritical interview with Jefferey Donaldson last Friday. Donaldson is allowed by Shanley to freely claim that the DUP’s ‘offer’ to SF and the other party’s is a new and different prospect when it’s nothing but blatantly the same i.e. Foster remaining as First Minister even while she and her party are being investigated regarding the RHI millions scandal while the parties continue talking about matters generally. Or in his words with “ negations continuing in parallel……. consensus …… agreement “ and meaningless waffle.

Donaldson is even allowed away with not one word of criticism that the Irish Language Act falsely claiming that 10% of public jobs will go to Irish speakers in future. He is then allowed to go on to claim the DUP want to go into the Assembly with “no preconditions” as if is the DUP’s precondition not to agree to Foster temporarily standing down while investigations go on into RHI, Red Sky and the ILA weren’t preconditions themselves !!

So folks, quite clearly the hired liars of the gombeen state are now batting for the DUP with the SF regardless agenda ??


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I think most people in Ireland (north and south) are probably clued up enough to see through the bullsh!t... which means Shanley doesn't really have to go into the nitty gritty or explain too much to us...

In Blighty however... totally different scenario... they had to get their history books out and Google DUP etc. after May's GE... cos they're clueless about Ireland... north and south... and then they went and got their knickers in a twist about the DUP and what they 'stand' for (mainly to do with lifestyle issues) while little or no consideration was given to Stormont or the border or whatever... cos as far as a lot of people in Blighty are concerned... Ireland is Ireland and they are uninterested in whether you're from NI or RoI... cos it's all just Ireland to them...

Anyway... Stormont... NI Assembly... Gerry, Arlene, Jefferey, SF, DUP, UUP, SDLP etc. with Brexit foisted on top by the wonderful Brit electorate etc. blah blah blah...

It's all very tedious stuff and totally unsurprising that direct rule looks like it's back...
 
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No, Shanley is just utterly awful at her job. It's not some anti SF agenda.
Don't know about that, listening to radio and tv discussions most of the time SF are portrayed as the problem not the DUP. We have seen the bias of Tommie Gorman on a discussion, while we have of course the gombeen party's of FG and FF backing the DUP, hence the agenda the hired liars are taking -


" Coveney says Foster has made ‘real effort’ to reconvene NI talks " while Martin of course totally misrepresents the situation with a lie "We should remember that Sinn Féin initially collapsed the executive because of the renewable heating controversy. Eight months later the issue has now changed to the enactment of the Irish Language Act. " when it's nothing of the sort but vague promises from the DUP. How the Irish Language Act is supposed to change an investigation into RHI is just FF bolloxology of course.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coveney-says-foster-has-made-real-effort-to-reconvene-ni-talks-1.3205820

Tedious now.
Good to see you feel like that, so now you'll be staying off the discussion I hope :)
 

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It was SF who walked out and who are refusing to go back in.
SDLP, Alliance, PBP walked out first. In fact SF were rightly criticized for been too pandering to the DUP until they walked out too.


"The Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP), Ulster Unionist Party (UUP), Alliance Party, People Before Profit (PBP), Traditional Unionist Voice (TUV), and the Green Party signed a ministerial exclusion motion under Section 30 of the Northern Ireland Act 1998, which would formally remove Foster from office."

http://www.itv.com/news/utv/update/2016-12-16/mlas-set-to-debate-excluding-foster-sdlp/
 

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The DUP are casting round for any excuse not to go back into Stormont for the following reasons:

(1) Ash for cash has not gone away and Arlene is implicated.

(2) They have no idea what to do about BREXIT.
 

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It was SF who walked out and who are refusing to go back in.
Oh dear. Clue: often the irish times and independent and RTE are fundamentally wrong about event in the north. So fundamentally wrong, one could be forgiven for thinking they are lying to you.

The fourth Executive was formed following the May 2016 election. The SDLP, UUP and Alliance Party left the Executive and formed the Official Opposition for the first time. Ministerial positions were proportionally allocated between the DUP and Sinn Féin, with independent unionist Claire Sugden serving as Minister of Justice. The government collapsed after Martin McGuinness resigned in protest over the Renewable Heat Incentive scandal. His resignation sparked a snap election as Sinn Féin refused to re-nominate a deputy First Minister.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Executive

THE SDLP has announced it is quitting the power-sharing administration in Northern Ireland to form part of the newly established opposition.

And it looks like Alliance is still not prepared to accept the Justice ministry role.

Members at a meeting of the party’s council backed party leader David Ford’s recommendation not to accept the sensitive ministry at this time.
SDLP quits power-sharing Northern Ireland government - The Irish News

RHI: MLAs walk out as Arlene Foster starts speaking - BBC News

Facts, sister, facts.
 

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Oh dear. Clue: often the irish times and independent and RTE are fundamentally wrong about event in the north. So fundamentally wrong, one could be forgiven for thinking they are lying to you.
You have a similar thread on Gorman, but the reason I started this one is to show it happens far too often that RTE conveniently leaves out the facts of the situation and barely contradicts anyone who throws lies about SF's position on an issue. If you listen you'll blatantly hear Shanley (epitomizes the kind of smug West Brit in RTE, I wouldn't expect anything better from her) allowing Donaldson throw any allegation he likes at SF including the obvious lie like the ILA will mean 10% of public servants will have to be Irish speakers.
 

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You have a similar thread on Gorman, but the reason I started this one is to show it happens far too often that RTE conveniently leaves out the facts of the situation and barely contradicts anyone who throws lies about SF's position on an issue. If you listen you'll blatantly hear Shanley (epitomizes the kind of smug West Brit in RTE, I wouldn't expect anything better from her) allowing Donaldson throw any allegation he likes at SF including the obvious lie like the ILA will mean 10% of public servants will have to be Irish speakers.
What the proposal actually says:

Ensure that Irish speakers are progressing in the public sector.
Public bodies will have a new duty (see 4.3, 4.4, 4.5, 4.6) and Irish speakers will be required, or will be a great asset, in the process of facilitating these duties.
This should be based on the Welsh approach, where duties must be adhered to, and therefore there is a need for employees who are able to perform these duties. They would be able to perform every other duty, but at the same time, be able to complete extra work involving Irish. 10% of those who are appointed should have both spoken and written Irish in the future. The final percentage, however, for every department/ public body will be decided upon according to the categorisation by the Language Commissioner.
https://cnag.ie/images/Acht_Gaeilge_ó_Thuaidh/15MÁ2017_Plécháipéis_ar_Acht_Gaeilge_ó_Thuaidh.pdf
 

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Foster should step aside over cash for ash. No ifs or buts on that one.

The Irish language issue however does smell very much like a contrived battle ground. The Irish language isn't the issue at all. It's simply which side has to back down.
 

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Oh dear. Clue: often the irish times and independent and RTE are fundamentally wrong about event in the north. So fundamentally wrong, one could be forgiven for thinking they are lying to you...

RTE aren't in much of a hurry to report any progress about the allegations made in the Spotlight programme last year either.....
 

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Foster should step aside over cash for ash. No ifs or buts on that one.

The Irish language issue however does smell very much like a contrived battle ground. The Irish language isn't the issue at all. It's simply which side has to back down.
DUP through their arrogance (much of it due to the character of Foster) made it so since the SDLP, Alliance, PBP as well as SF support of the Act, that's 50 out of the 90 MLA's.
 

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RTE aren't in much of a hurry to report any progress about the allegations made in the Spotlight programme last year either.....
The issue gets reported however (and this may be something which simply gets lost in translation a little as you cross the border) this isn't a big story in the south. Rightly or wrongly stories about the assembly are met with a very large dose of weariness and apathy.
 

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DUP through their arrogance (much of it due to the character of Foster) made it so since the SDLP, Alliance, PBP as well as SF support of the Act, that's 50 out of the 90 MLA's.
I just get the sense that if it wasn't this issue it would have been another. The Irish language is just the battleground that has been happened upon. It certainly isn't the real issue here.
 


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