The non existant public 'backlash' over NAMA/IMF ?

Mary Frances

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Was up at Leinster House on Sunday evening, about 20 - 30 there, mostly individual republicans of various groups. Not even any Socialist Workers or Socialist Party that I could see. Now I know the SFers were there in the day but went up again yesterday evening and there was about half a dozen there. Now compare this to the French and Greeks :mad: It's no wonder the country is in the mess it is.

So folks, certainly those of you who live in Dublin, is it not time to stop whinging on the keyboard and get off that fat ass and PROTEST ?
Any violence at recent protests has been orchestrated either by Sinn Fein or socialist groups. There is no groundswell for such disorder.

On Saturday, there may well be violence but again it will be the same groups. Many of these protestors have never done a day's work in their lives. They are welfare junkies - they have no sense of civic responsibility, hence the need to get their kicks from assaulting gardai and causing criminal damage.

I hope the police show no mercy to the scum
 


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And then all around as per usual the rest of the irish rush around with their shoping looking self-important and cold as they rush on home. In fact I commented about this as a couple passed me with their shopping only to get eyeballed aggressively by the male for daring to criticise him as he clutched his shopping bag and rushed on by.
What ? So you are randomly sneering at people and then wondering why they dont come and stand in solidarity with you ? :confused: :rolleyes:
 

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Was up at Leinster House on Sunday evening, about 20 - 30 there, mostly individual republicans of various groups. Not even any Socialist Workers or Socialist Party that I could see. Now I know the SFers were there in the day but went up again yesterday evening and there was about half a dozen there. Now compare this to the French and Greeks :mad: It's no wonder the country is in the mess it is.

So folks, certainly those of you who live in Dublin, is it not time to stop whinging on the keyboard and get off that fat ass and PROTEST ?
***This reply is based solely on your nom de plume***

Because we're sick to the back teeth of you and your sort in this country; we'd rather starve than be dragged into the gutter by your lot.

You had your chance and all you did was kill protestants, blow up nuns and kill Spanish tourists.
All the while building up multi-million pound empires for your leaders.

Its people like you that took all the fighting spirit out of the Irish with your endless massacres and your ties to Libya and North Korea.

If you think for one second that you are near a breakthrough or a watershed or an opportunity then you are sadly mistaken.

We have long memories.
One memory you should try to recall is this: you got your ass handed to you in 1922; the last time the Irish people got out and fought.

So you keep agitating, keep provoking, keep pushing.
Lets see what happens this time.
 

gatsbygirl20

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(1) We are not a united people, and we have, in any case, been turned against each other. Hatred of unions has been fomented, and the unions themselves have helped.

(2) The Shinner factor. Some people do not want to be at a protest if violence erupts, or if they feel another agenda is being advanced

(3) Most people are still working. Some have had no paycuts. Many believe the IMF are here to impoverish somebody else, not them.

(4) It is too late.

(5). Protest in some disorganised or ragged form, probably, will happen when the full pain is felt. For some it's still only a threat

(6) An American economic policy wonk was talking to Myles Dungan this evening and he said he could not believe how right wing the Irish were. Even with the banks behaving scandalously, the Irish still seemed to think public sector austerity was good . So maybe a lot of people actually support the IMF and all its works.
 

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(1) We are not a united people, and we have, in any case, been turned against each other. Hatred of unions has been fomented, and the unions themselves have helped.

(2) The Shinner factor. Some people do not want to be at a protest if violence erupts, or if they feel another agenda is being advanced

(3) Most people are still working. Some have had no paycuts. Many believe the IMF are here to impoverish somebody else, not them.

(4) It is too late.

(5). Protest in some disorganised or ragged form, probably, will happen when the full pain is felt. For some it's still only a threat

(6) An American economic policy wonk was talking to Myles Dungan this evening and he said he could not believe how right wing the Irish were. Even with the banks behaving scandalously, the Irish still seemed to think public sector austerity was good . So maybe a lot of people actually support the IMF and all its works.
excellent honest post and observation
 
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Ah...bit late. The protests should have been happening for the last few years. Now the IMF and EU are in charge. They couldn't care less about protests. We have given up our sovereignty. Is that not sinking in?!

But people don't mind. Shure 'I'm a celebrity' is great. And xfactor is really hotting up now. And we'll always have the football...
The deal isn't done yet. This government must be toppled and the "budgetary process" must be halted. We cannot afford a €250 billon loan. It's that simple
 

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The deal isn't done yet. This government must be toppled and the "budgetary process" must be halted. We cannot afford a €250 billon loan. It's that simple

Sat 27th Dublin, a peacefull march in huge numbers, one thing FF understands is that if 300,000 people turn up and demand an election, they are absolutely f---ed.
Please, please, please, bring your own non union banners, forget that the march is organised by ICTU. just turn up.
 
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Sat 27th Dublin, a peacefull march in huge numbers, one thing FF understands is that if 300,000 people turn up and demand an election, they are absolutely f---ed.
Please, please, please, bring your own non union banners, forget that the march is organised by ICTU. just turn up.
I cannot under any circumstance march under the likes of Jack and his ilk. See point 1 of gatsbygirls post. The unions are up to their neck in this mess and they are a shame to the very ideals of workers unions.
 

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Any violence at recent protests has been orchestrated either by Sinn Fein or socialist groups. There is no groundswell for such disorder.

On Saturday, there may well be violence but again it will be the same groups. Many of these protestors have never done a day's work in their lives. They are welfare junkies - they have no sense of civic responsibility, hence the need to get their kicks from assaulting gardai and causing criminal damage.

I hope the police show no mercy to the scum
I hope that your tax is raised by 90% ,your home is repossessed,that you will be on a hospital waiting list for 6years,and that your pension will be cut in half -- we`ll see how bloody smug you are then -How bloody dare you wish ill on the only people who are prepared to take a stand against the rape and mutilation of our country.
 

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Is the ICTU march for every one, or just union members.
Everyone!!!!, there are people on here who are mostly FF trolls who do not want the people to march. A few are procrastinators who will never do anything only complain on a blog site like this.
I am not a union member but I see this march as the most likely to have sufficient numbers and abscence of voilence to get our point accross.
My point is that I want an election and now!!!!
 

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Everyone!!!!, there are people on here who are mostly FF trolls who do not want the people to march. A few are procrastinators who will never do anything only complain on a blog site like this.
I am not a union member but I see this march as the most likely to have sufficient numbers and abscence of voilence to get our point accross.
My point is that I want an election and now!!!!
Thanks for letting me know.
 

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The deal isn't done yet. This government must be toppled and the "budgetary process" must be halted. We cannot afford a €250 billon loan. It's that simple
...it's...too...late. Don't you get it. We have no money. We don't get to debate terms. The time for action was a long time ago. Only about 500 of us turned up to protest against Nama. That was the time to protest. And at the time of the bank guarantee.
Now people want to protest. If we don't take the funding, where is the money going to come from?
The apathy and ignorance of the Irish people, as well as their egocentricity never fails to amaze me. Too little far too late.
 

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yes - everyone come on the saturday march. It will be the big one and this time people are too angry for the union leadership to sell us out. I'll be there protesting against the overpaid union bureaucrats and their sell out of the workforce just as much as at the gvt. They have played probably the most important role in suppressing dissent so far.
 

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"People should not fear their government, government should fear their people" Alan Moore

The people must act forcefully through peaceful means to say we will not allow this shambolic administration make a decision as monumental as getting this bailout without first consulting the people in a general election.

we the people can no longer sit idly by while ireland is sold afraid to protest mere it be hijacked by extreme groups, the working and middle classes must take centre stage and say we want an election now
 

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I know i'm only a newbie on this site but I can't believe that there are very few submissions of ideas of resolution to our economy... I signed up thinking that this was to be some form of a digital government in the making but I find that most (but not all) members are just semi-educated whingers that are as about as useful as a gone off carrot when it comes to helping solve the problems we as a nation are faced with... And before anyone says that it's not my fault and it was the banks and FF that messed up the country, well that maybe true but it is still as much your country as it is theirs, if not more so yours cause you will be footing the bill in the long run... And if that does not make you in part responsible to helping with resolution then I don't know what does and you may just feck off to another country and claim not to be Irish

I propose that we form an official protest online... If someone has the ability to set up a site where you can register with your PPS number (other details of each protester would not have to be made public to other users) or something to that effect then we could gather a digital army and if enough people sign up just once then the vast numbers of people in agreement could not be ignored by the government or the media or the rest of the population...

Obviously I don't have the skills for website development cause if I did I would have started this 2 years ago when I first conceived the idea but if someone here does or knows somebody that does and thinks it's a viable idea then please PM me and we can try get the ball rolling...

I have a dream.... And we are all in it
 
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slashing the minimum wage was desirable as it would lead to increased 'competitiveness'! And the young are supposed to be the radical ones!
Not doing so is very much the consensus view in Ireland, so clearly saying it should happen is a radical view. (just not radical left). But anyway, there's a whole other thread about all that.

I think the reason that people are not protesting is that it largely hasn't happened yet. Nobody has been affected by the IMF yet, and all they have heard is unsubstantiated rumour. It's still a bit of a wait and see situation for most.
 


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