The Palestinian Incentive Program for Killing Jews - is it right?

kalipa

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The PA are scum pure and simple. Israel should simply deny any foreign funding to them until they acknowledge Israel's existence as a Jewish state.
Why ? Does Israel not feel confidant that it is a "Jewish state" so it needs the consent of the PA.
In the 21st century the pathetic need to be seen as a theocracy is sooooo ISIS.
 


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Not true
The US aids Israel in defending itself against the looney Arab world surrounding it
No comparison at all
:lol::roll::lol::roll:, the amount of people in the world who actually believe that would be 00001%of the population , you are either american , a cia troll , or very very dumb, or indeed all three
 

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All together now:

"NOT ALL MUSLIMS"
 

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:lol::roll::lol::roll:, the amount of people in the world who actually believe that would be 00001%of the population , you are either american , a cia troll , or very very dumb, or indeed all three
Or perhaps the people in the world who have difficulty observing what is actually happening in the region (and are thus susceptible to ulterior and malevolent agendas) are the part that struggle generally with grammar and placement of decimal points etc. - A large part of the world in other words... However, that does not mean they are not both ignorant and deluded about the facts on the ground in the region.
 

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Why ? Does Israel not feel confidant that it is a "Jewish state" so it needs the consent of the PA.
In the 21st century the pathetic need to be seen as a theocracy is sooooo ISIS.
Israel knows what the PA are, and thus treat them accordingly. They don't need their consent. The PA are not meaningfully representative of any of the real interests of the Palestinian people.

And Israel's character as a "Jewish state" is only called upon in practice at the point of existential threat. Up to that point democratic institutions are to the fore (this Jewish character is highly necessary to protect themselves against the Arab demographic bomb strategy revolving around efforts and associated tactics to make the Jews a minority in Israel.)

The totalitarian theocracies that surround Israel could not be more different to Israel than chalk and cheese, if we're actually still in the real world.

Finally, indeed there is a problem in that the Arab states refuse to recognise Israel and the deep historical, moral and other rights and attachments that the Jews also hold to the land. - As Israel has done with regard to the Palestinian Arabs in any attempted negotiation of peace agreement with them previously.

This impediment to any kind of meaningful peace needs to be resolved one way or the other, eventually.
 

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This constant whining about a Jewish state only serves to draw attention to the apartheid nature of it. For Muslims or Christians to recognise the "democracy" they live in as a "Jewish state" only serves to further make them feel like outsiders.
A real democracy means "an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights".

Israel treats it's minorities worse than some of the surrounding states do. This can be seen on here and in hundreds of other fora where Israel's undemocratic treatment of those "not chosen" is documented daily and will be until something is done about it.

Before you go off at half **** I don't mean a "final solution" I mean that some of Israel's friends will find the courage to say enough. This occupation and siege has to stop.
 

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Hmm...

What's far more worrying is the fact that the US pays Israel $3B a year so they can buy the weapons with which they routinely slaughter thousands of innocent Palestinians.

Let's take that money out too.
Stop the former and you wont need the latter.
 

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This constant whining about a Jewish state only serves to draw attention to the apartheid nature of it. For Muslims or Christians to recognise the "democracy" they live in as a "Jewish state" only serves to further make them feel like outsiders.
A real democracy means "an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights".

Israel treats it's minorities worse than some of the surrounding states do. This can be seen on here and in hundreds of other fora where Israel's undemocratic treatment of those "not chosen" is documented daily and will be until something is done about it.

Before you go off at half **** I don't mean a "final solution" I mean that some of Israel's friends will find the courage to say enough. This occupation and siege has to stop.
There are 1,413,500 Arabs, about 20% of Israel’s population, living in Israel.

Of these around 20% seek the end of the Israeli state. (Extrapolating from the Harvard study that showed 77% of Israeli Arabs would rather live in the Jewish state than in any other country in world.)

Another proportion of these would be Islamicist fanatics. Say, 5%.

So, you have around 70K very dangerous Arab individuals living in and moving around Israel who pose a serious threat to its citizens.

Israel needs to protect its citizens against that threat - that is not apartheid. It is something else entirely.

As for the exigencies that force Israel to occupy the west bank captured from Jordan ever since the attempted pan-Arab invasion of 1967, you only have to look to its withdrawal from Gaza and what subsequently happened there (and the situation continues to go from bad to worse, and will likely continue to do so unless they re-occupy imho.) to understand why they must remain there and fortify their border and security through settlement building.

Or you can continue to hold to your view that the situation all comes from nothing more than an Israeli desire to inflict harm on another people. In that case, it doesn't matter what anyone says about it to you.
 

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Why ? Does Israel not feel confidant that it is a "Jewish state" so it needs the consent of the PA.
In the 21st century the pathetic need to be seen as a theocracy is sooooo ISIS.
Again you show your ignorance of the topic. You'll get Palestinians to accept the existence of Israel but they'll slyly omit to mention that when they say that they mean an Israel that is not Jewish. In other words it will be ruled by Sharia. And we all know where that leaves non-Muslims. Te anti_Semites on here have the luxury of believing the Pallies. Israel does not have that luxury.

islam is a religion of piece
 

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Again you show your ignorance of the topic. You'll get Palestinians to accept the existence of Israel but they'll slyly omit to mention that when they say that they mean an Israel that is not Jewish. In other words it will be ruled by Sharia. And we all know where that leaves non-Muslims. Te anti_Semites on here have the luxury of believing the Pallies. Israel does not have that luxury.
Well let us take what you say as true....That leaves the Zionists with only themselves to blame for picking that part of the world to create their extreme ethno-nationalist colonial project and even more so by than effectively making a two state solution an impossibility. Of course we know that what they are dreaming off is ethnically cleansing the whole of Palestine of Palestinians but we shall see they have actually succeed in being able to pull that off. A lot of the original Zionist settler stock have packed their bags and gone elsewhere to be replaced by people from the former Soviet bloc who are just being sheer opportunists. The only Israelis really interested in having kids it seems are the Hasidim many of whom have very ambiguous attitudes towards the Colonial Project.
 

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This constant whining about a Jewish state only serves to draw attention to the apartheid nature of it. For Muslims or Christians to recognise the "democracy" they live in as a "Jewish state" only serves to further make them feel like outsiders.
A real democracy means "an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights".

Israel treats it's minorities worse than some of the surrounding states do. This can be seen on here and in hundreds of other fora where Israel's undemocratic treatment of those "not chosen" is documented daily and will be until something is done about it.

Before you go off at half **** I don't mean a "final solution" I mean that some of Israel's friends will find the courage to say enough. This occupation and siege has to stop.
Apart from the fact that " whining " is an anti-Semitic stereotype the rest is nonsense. Both Britain and some Scandanavian countries have sectarian clauses in their constitutions doesn't make them undemocratic or " apartheid ". If Muslim and Christian Israelis can be judges and army generals and whatever shows that the term " Jewish homeland " doesn't automatically produce anti-minority legislation.
 

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Well let us take what you say as true....That leaves the Zionists with only themselves to blame for picking that part of the world to create their extreme ethno-nationalist colonial project and even more so by than effectively making a two state solution an impossibility. Of course we know that what they are dreaming off is ethnically cleansing the whole of Palestine of Palestinians but we shall see they have actually succeed in being able to pull that off. A lot of the original Zionist settler stock have packed their bags and gone elsewhere to be replaced by people from the former Soviet bloc who are just being sheer opportunists. The only Israelis really interested in having kids it seems are the Hasidim many of whom have very ambiguous attitudes towards the Colonial Project.
Jesus my head hurts from reading that cr@p. They didn't pick Israel, it has always been a homeland for Jews. It is where their holy sites are and where many of them have lived for millenia. The Palestinian population of Israel has doubled since independence. Settler stock have not left and furthermore the IDF have the means to ethnically cleanse Palestine if they wanted to but so far haven 't as even the population in Gaza and the West Bank has been increasing. Please stop posting on this forum you make an utter twit of yourself.
 

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Jesus my head hurts from reading that cr@p. They didn't pick Israel, it has always been a homeland for Jews. It is where their holy sites are and where many of them have lived for millenia. The Palestinian population of Israel has doubled since independence. Settler stock have not left and furthermore the IDF have the means to ethnically cleanse Palestine if they wanted to but so far haven 't as even the population in Gaza and the West Bank has been increasing. Please stop posting on this forum you make an utter twit of yourself.
Yes but the Christian population of the Holy land has been falling. The Jewish and Muslim increasing all the time. Does any body care about the Christian brothers in Palestine, Israel and the West bank. If current trends continue there will be none left.
 

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Jesus my head hurts from reading that cr@p. They didn't pick Israel, it has always been a homeland for Jews. It is where their holy sites are and where many of them have lived for millenia. The Palestinian population of Israel has doubled since independence. Settler stock have not left and furthermore the IDF have the means to ethnically cleanse Palestine if they wanted to but so far haven 't as even the population in Gaza and the West Bank has been increasing. Please stop posting on this forum you make an utter twit of yourself.
Stop taking the Lord's name in vain. You would complain if anyone made derogratory remark at Jewish religion, Yet Christianity is fair game.
there has always been Christians living in the Holy land aswell as Jewish. It is the Settlements that most people object to. Not the State of Israel.
 
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