The Palestinian Incentive Program for Killing Jews - is it right?

kalipa

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Again you show your ignorance of the topic. You'll get Palestinians to accept the existence of Israel but they'll slyly omit to mention that when they say that they mean an Israel that is not Jewish. In other words it will be ruled by Sharia. And we all know where that leaves non-Muslims. Te anti_Semites on here have the luxury of believing the Pallies. Israel does not have that luxury.
When you start thinking for yourself and stop using the latest pro-Israel cliches come back and have a proper conversation with us.
 


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Apart from the fact that " whining " is an anti-Semitic stereotype the rest is nonsense. Both Britain and some Scandanavian countries have sectarian clauses in their constitutions doesn't make them undemocratic or " apartheid ". If Muslim and Christian Israelis can be judges and army generals and whatever shows that the term " Jewish homeland " doesn't automatically produce anti-minority legislation.
oh Please don't be so stupid.

Britain and Scandanavia don't dish out housing and services based on religion.
 

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When is the last time you heard of a Catholic suicide bomber?
Plenty of catholic bombers, protestant bombers, jewish bombers.

Do you agree? :)
 

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... You'll get Palestinians to accept the existence of Israel but they'll slyly omit to mention that when they say that they mean an Israel that is not Jewish....
Not even that though. As Thomas L. Friedman put it about 10 years ago, "Rule 4: In the Middle East, never take a concession, except out of the mouth of the person doing the conceding. If I had a dollar for every time someone agreed to recognize Israel on behalf of Yasir Arafat, I could paper my walls." (Link).
 

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I have a certain sympathy for Israeli Jews. It took a staggering amount of Jewish blood in the Holocaust to establish the state of Israel.
That said there is no reason for the illegal Zionist settlements on the West bank. They are an attempt to "stir up" trouble with the Arab majority. And must be opposed.
 

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Did you read the question?
(one of the most important lessons to know if you ever get as far as leaving cert)
Don't be an idiot, do you agree there are plenty of catholic bombers, protestant bombers, jewish bombers?

The objectionable thing is their bombing, not whether they kill themselves in the process.
 

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Don't be an idiot, do you agree there are plenty of catholic bombers, protestant bombers, jewish bombers?

The objectionable thing is their bombing, not whether they kill themselves in the process.
I disagree
A suicide bomber is far more dangerous than any other bomber because he can guide the bomb or weapon into the most densely populated areas and kill far more people - without regard to his own safety.
And there are no Catholic suicide bombers - which is the correct answer to the question
 

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A zombie attacker attempts to win a pension for her family and gets herself killed
Another idiotic victim of the Palestinian education system.....
Note also how restrained the IDF soldiers are


[video=youtube;bDGxU2Zl0wg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDGxU2Zl0wg[/video]

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A zombie attacker attempts to win a pension for her family and gets herself killed
Another idiotic victim of the Palestinian education system.....
Note also how restrained the IDF soldiers are


[video=youtube;bDGxU2Zl0wg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDGxU2Zl0wg[/video]

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Yes , everyone knows about the IDFs restraint :roll:
 

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Stupid OP -

The Jews have killed many thousand more Palestinians , often in just one year.

 

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I disagree
A suicide bomber is far more dangerous than any other bomber because he can guide the bomb or weapon into the most densely populated areas and kill far more people - without regard to his own safety.
And there are no Catholic suicide bombers - which is the correct answer to the question
That's ridiculous, you're saying a person with a bomb is more dangerous than a B52 with its huge payload or than someone who can standoff miles with no real danger to themselves?
 

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That's ridiculous, you're saying a person with a bomb is more dangerous than a B52 with its huge payload or than someone who can standoff miles with no real danger to themselves?
Stop being an idiot
You know what I meant
 

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Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories 2015/2016

In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli forces committed unlawful killings of Palestinian civilians, including children, and detained thousands of Palestinians who protested against or otherwise opposed Israel’s continuing military occupation, holding hundreds in administrative detention.

Torture and other ill-treatment remained rife and were committed with impunity. The authorities continued to promote illegal settlements in the West Bank, and severely restricted Palestinians’ freedom of movement, further tightening restrictions amid an escalation of violence from October, which included attacks on Israeli civilians by Palestinians and apparent extrajudicial executions by Israeli forces.

Israeli settlers in the West Bank attacked Palestinians and their property with virtual impunity. The Gaza Strip remained under an Israeli military blockade that imposed collective punishment on its inhabitants.
The authorities continued to demolish Palestinian homes in the West Bank and inside Israel, particularly in Bedouin villages in the Negev/Naqab region, forcibly evicting their residents. They also detained and deported thousands of African asylum-seekers, and imprisoned Israeli conscientious objectors.

The Israeli government have been careful to take steps to ensure impunity for its atrocities committed on Palestinians:

In June the UN Independent Commission of Inquiry on the 2014 Gaza Conflict published its report, documenting war crimes by Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups during the 50-day conflict and calling for accountability.
Israel rejected the UN findings and continued its military investigations, but they were not independent and failed to deliver justice.

Israeli military authorities opened investigations into deaths of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in the West Bank, but these investigations were similarly flawed, and only one case from 2013 led to an indictment for “negligent use of a firearm”, following lengthy delays and an appeal to Israel’s High Court.
 

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This idiotic woman also received a posthumous pension for her family from the PA for stabbing an Israeli security guard.

[video=youtube;2f1EQcrpC54]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f1EQcrpC54[/video]
 

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Apart from the fact that " whining " is an anti-Semitic stereotype the rest is nonsense. Both Britain and some Scandanavian countries have sectarian clauses in their constitutions doesn't make them undemocratic or " apartheid ". If Muslim and Christian Israelis can be judges and army generals and whatever shows that the term " Jewish homeland " doesn't automatically produce anti-minority legislation.
What roads in Sweden are for Lutherans only? Does Britain make people carry Id that is colour coded based on ethnicity?
 

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What roads in Sweden are for Lutherans only? Does Britain make people carry Id that is colour coded based on ethnicity?
You need to be careful with Former Wesleyan - he will want to know where you went to school, what is your religion, what were the influences on your life and why to do not swallow Zionist propaganda.

Avoid nutters.
 

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The recent murder of a 13 year of Israeli girl, called Yaffa Ariel, in her bed by a Palestinian terrorist, who subsequently killed by police, has once again brought to focus the abhorrent Palestinian practice of rewarding terrorists for the crimes by paying them a salary while in prison or paying the families of so called martyrs a pension for the crimes of their children. The salaries are lower for smaller crimes and increase for longer serving murderers or mass murderers and so called 'martyrs' and suicide bombers. The practice, which has been going on since the early 1990's, provides an incentives for young Palestinians to become a terrorist rather than getting a job and for terrorists themselves to commit more serious crimes.


While western Government and the EU are aware of the practice they continue funding the PA regardless - in the full knowledge that taxpayers money is being used to finance terror and murder.


Following Yaffa Ariel's murder, Israel's PM Netanyahu, announced that he would begin withholding part of the tax revenue that Israel sends to the Palestinian Authority -- equal to the amount paid to "martyrs".
After all, why should Israel continue financing the murder of its own citizens?
And should the world finance the PA while this practice is ongoing?





The Palestinian Incentive Program for Killing Jews - Bloomberg View
Suicide attacks make biological sense for the perpetrator. They die, but their close genetic relatives profit.

Donald Trump suggests that parents and siblings of suicide attackers be targeted.

If that were the policy, all suicide attacks would cease immediately.
 

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Israel and Occupied Palestinian Territories 2015/2016

In the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israeli forces committed unlawful killings of Palestinian civilians, including children, and detained thousands of Palestinians who protested against or otherwise opposed Israel’s continuing military occupation, holding hundreds in administrative detention.

Torture and other ill-treatment remained rife and were committed with impunity. The authorities continued to promote illegal settlements in the West Bank, and severely restricted Palestinians’ freedom of movement, further tightening restrictions amid an escalation of violence from October, which included attacks on Israeli civilians by Palestinians and apparent extrajudicial executions by Israeli forces.

Israeli settlers in the West Bank attacked Palestinians and their property with virtual impunity. The Gaza Strip remained under an Israeli military blockade that imposed collective punishment on its inhabitants.
The authorities continued to demolish Palestinian homes in the West Bank and inside Israel, particularly in Bedouin villages in the Negev/Naqab region, forcibly evicting their residents. They also detained and deported thousands of African asylum-seekers, and imprisoned Israeli conscientious objectors.

The Israeli government have been careful to take steps to ensure impunity for its atrocities committed on Palestinians:

In June the UN Independent Commission of Inquiry on the 2014 Gaza Conflict published its report, documenting war crimes by Israeli forces and Palestinian armed groups during the 50-day conflict and calling for accountability.
Israel rejected the UN findings and continued its military investigations, but they were not independent and failed to deliver justice.

Israeli military authorities opened investigations into deaths of Palestinians killed by Israeli forces in the West Bank, but these investigations were similarly flawed, and only one case from 2013 led to an indictment for “negligent use of a firearm”, following lengthy delays and an appeal to Israel’s High Court.
From Amnesty. Can you not see that there is a horrendous bias there, particularly in what they don't say? (and I note that much of its language is quite transparently from the anti-Israel demonising propaganda opus).

Very few deny that Israel is forced to brutal policing of the Palestinian territories. And the ever present high threat of terrorism necessitates harsh interrogation techniques.

However the question you need to ask yourself is why is there no emphasis at all in reports like this one on the conditions that give rise to the need for such brutal policing, and why no one speaks out against the horrific crusade and vendetta against Israel perpetuated by Arab and "Leftistic" agendas?

Until this is resolved, the brutal policing can only continue, as the alternative is that Israel is obliterated and in the process its citizens killed and terrorised. That is not "victimhood" as your mantra goes. It's fact. And if you actually cared about putting a stop to Palestinian suffering (rather than seeing their suffering and deaths as an instrument of propaganda) you would acknowledge this fact.




Amnesty Employees Reporting on Israel - Experts or Ideologues?

Deborah Hyams


Deborah Hyams was hired in 2010 as “Israel, Occupied Palestinian Territories and Palestinian Authority” researcher. Hyams has an extensive background in radical anti-Israel activism, including acting as a “human shield” in Beit Jala (near Bethlehem) in 2001. In this capacity she occupied a home that was being used as cover for recurrent gunfire and mortar attacks aimed at Jewish civilians in Jerusalem. Her presence in the Beit Jala conflict zone was meant to deter Israel’s military response to these attacks.2 In other words, Hyam was willing to endanger her own life in order to prevent Israel from protecting its citizens from Palestinian terrorists.

Hyams calls Israel “a state founded on terrorism, massacres and the dispossession of another people from their land,”3 and “[some] of Israel’s actions, all the way back to 1948, could be called ‘ethnic cleansing.’”4 Hyams has also justified terrorism and the murders of Jews. In a 2002 Washington Jewish Week article, “[Deborah] Hyams said that while she does not condone suicide bombings, she personally believes they ‘are in response to the occupation.’”5 In another instance she defended violence: “occupation is violence…and the consequence of this action must result in violence [against Israelis].”6

Saleh Hijazi

Saleh Hijazi is an Amnesty campaigner on Israel and the OPT. As a Palestinian born in Jerusalem and raised in Ramallah, having Hijazi work on Israel creates an appearance of partiality and bias.7 In fact, he has claimed to be a victim of Israeli violations. On March 9, 2011, Hijazi, then a researcher for Human Rights Watch, spoke at a UN conference where he described how his father was supposedly arrested by the Israeli authorities “when the Israeli military could not find an activist neighbor.”

In further contradiction to Amnesty’s claims of impartiality, Hijazi worked as a Public Relations officer for the Palestinian Authority’s Office of the Ministry of Planning in Ramallah in 2005, and in 2007 he was listed as contact for the NGO “Another Voice” – under the group’s signature “Resist! Boycott! We Are Intifada!” In 2010, Hijazi was an on-campus volunteer at Badil, an extremely anti-Israel group devoted to BDS and a Palestinian “right of return,” via the Al-Quds Human Rights Clinic program.8

The blogger “Elder of Ziyon” revealed that, in 2007, Hijazi’s Facebook profile picture was a photo of Leila Khaled, a PFLP terrorist and airline hijacker, while in 2012, his profile picture was a photo of Khader Adnan, a leader of the Islamic Jihad terror organization. In addition, while studying at Lawrence University in Wisconsin, Hijazi wrote his thesis on “Yasser Arafat: A Palestinian Prophet in the Formation of Palestinian National Identity.”

Kate Allen

Kate Allen has been Amnesty-UK’s director since 2000. In this position, Allen demonizes Israel, accusing it of violating international law, war crimes, collective punishment, deliberate targeting of Palestinian civilians, and impunity. She has also overseen a policy of allowing Amnesty-UK’s Human Rights Action Centre to be used as a platform by extreme anti-Israel events, including the Russell Tribunal on Palestine in 2010 and presentations by Ben White, author of Israeli Apartheid: A Beginners Guide. (For more information, see NGO Monitor’s report on Amnesty UK’s Human Rights Action Centre.)

Among Allen’s regular allegations is that Israel deliberately targets civilians, stating that “Israeli soldiers kill civilians in Gaza with near-total impunity, week in week out.”9 During the Summer 2014 Gaza conflict, Allen tweeted, “Israel/Gaza no justification for targeting hospitals,”10 linking to Amnesty press release claiming that “Israel’s continuing bombardment of civilian homes in several areas of the Gaza Strip, as well as the shelling of a hospital, add to the list of possible war crimes.”11 She also demonized Israel by implying that it deliberately targets children, when she tweeted, “17 year old Palestinian activist to me ‘the most dangerous place on earth is next to a child in Gaza’.”12

As an outgrowth of this ideological perception, Allen has been a vocal advocate for an arms embargo against Israel. In an opinion piece in The Independent, “The UK needs to stop selling arms to Israel and open its eyes to the suffering caused by inaction,” she called for the “suspension of all arms to Israel as a first move in a bid to restore some morality to its stance on this dreadful conflict.”13 Allen is also quoted in an Amnesty press release, saying: “The UK must stop granting arms export licenses to countries where weapons are likely to be used to commit abuses…We know that historically equipment supplied by the UK has been used by the Israeli military to commit human rights violations in Gaza.”14

Allen also frequently repeats the NGO “collective punishment” canard, characterizing Israel’s security measures as “a massive program of collective punishment”“15 and brushing aside Israel’s security concern.16 She was quoted in an Amnesty press release, saying: “Sick, traumatised and impoverished people are being collectively punished by a cruel, illegal policy imposed by the Israeli authorities.”17 Allen made similar allegations in an Amnesty press release that accompanied 2010 a report titled “Dashed Hopes: Continuation of the Gaza Blockade,” which called for renewed international pressure on Israel to completely lift the blockade.18

Kristyan Benedict

Kristyan Benedict, Amnesty-UK’s Campaign Manager, has an extensive history of anti-Israel activism and bias. Benedict’s criticisms of Israel are without nuance, and avoid a serious treatment of the country in the favor of bizarre and demonizing claims. Benedict sees the Middle East through the prism of broad conspiracy theories, with Israel at the center.

In a February 9, 2011 interview with Labour Friends of Palestine, Benedict claimed:

“The USA plays both Arab and Israel sides to generate money, power and control. The main reasons are: The Arms Trade: The conflict makes loads of money for the ‘weapons trade’. Israel always pushes the buttons to make all the surrounding Arabic states such as Syria, Lebanon feel insecure. So they then buy weapons off other states and this is a great profit-making industry.”19
“Israel is now included in the list of stupid dictatorial regimes who abuse peoples’ basic universal rights – along with Burma, North Korea, Iran and Sudan, its government has the same wanton attitude to human beings…. Also, it seems that many in the current coalition are driven by a feeling of ‘ethnic supremacy’.”
“I also agree with the sentiment of Justice Richard Goldstone in his 2009 UN fact finding mission: ‘The treatment of Palestine is meant to punish, humiliate and terrorize’”
“The Occupation regime is illegal and unsustainable. Apartheid South Africa and the Soviet Union fell and many people thought they never would.”
In April 2011, Benedict threatened physical violence against a pro-Israel attendee at an event he chaired. As reported and recorded, Benedict said he would “smack me [the attendee] in [his] little bald head.”20 Allegedly, “Amnesty took disciplinary action against Benedict following” the threat.21

Based on these and other examples of bias and demonization, in mid-2012 Jewish groups in the UK objected to Amnesty-UK, noting that Benedict had “regularly shown a partisan approach.” Amnesty-UK officials reacted condescendingly and dismissively to these Jewish groups, ignoring the detailed evidence presented, and replying weakly that all of its staff members adhered “to principles of independence and impartiality in their work.”22

During November 2012’s Operation Pillar of Defense, Benedict again showed anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish tendencies, tweeting23 on November 19, 2012,

The three people he characterized as war-mongers are British Members of Parliament, all of whom are Jewish. This tweet prompted an inquiry into Amnesty by John Mann MP, chair of the UK All-Party Parliamentary Group against Anti-Semitism, seeking clarification on the organization’s policies towards preventing antisemitism. (This was but one of several anti-Israel tweets that Benedict posted during the operation.24)

Amnesty-UK investigated the complaints. In December 2012, a “spokesperson confirmed that the investigation had now been completed and said the charity had decided that ‘the tweet in question was ill-advised and had the potential to be offensive and inflammatory but was not racist or anti-Semitic.’”25 It is unknown upon which criteria Amnesty drew its conclusions.

On July 30, 2015, Benedict retweeted the Hamas Twitter account, which had posted an Amnesty publication and added: “As evidence of Israel’s war crimes amass, tangible steps towards accountability are needed.”

There have been other instances of highly problematic Twitter activity by Benedict. In November 2014, he compared Israel to the Islamic State, by using the hashtag “#JSIL” on Twitter.Y26 The hashtag is used by extreme anti-Israel groups to compare Israel to the Islamic organization famous for beheading Western journalists and other atrocities.

Edith Garwood

Edith Garwood serves as Amnesty-USA’s “Country Specialist on Israel, Occupied Palestinian Territories, and Palestinian Authority.” AIUSA’s Country Specialists are unpaid volunteer leaders who provide expertise and strategy for a given country.27 Before joining Amnesty, Garwood volunteered as a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM),28 a group dedicated to provoking violent confrontations with Israeli troops and impeding their movements, often during anti-terror operations.

Garwood was also a director of Palestine Media Watch-Charlotte (now seemingly defunct) and a member of Coalition for Peace and Justice (CPWJ).29 CPWJ provides funding to the anti-Israel, pro-BDS NGOs Badil, Israeli Committee against House Demolitions (ICAHD), and Sabeel.30 In 2010, Garwood presented at CPWJ’s Leadership Retreat31; in 2011, Garwood was a co-presenter32 at an event with Mary Lou Leiser Smith from CPWJ.

Given her associations, Garwood’s descriptions of Israel are unsurprisingly one-sided and demonize Israel without recourse to evidence. In Garwood’s worldview, Israel is to blame for all problems in the Middle East: “For me, it all goes back to Palestine, and how it’s been put on the back burner. The Middle East will never settle down until they really resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”33 In 2008, Garwood published an op-ed in the Charlotte Observer, titled “Let the Refugees Return,” claiming:

The Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory, rocket fire into Israel, illegal settlement growth, checkpoints, suicide bombers, the crippled Palestinian economy, The Wall, and the lack of adequate access to medicine, food and clean water require attention, but are only outgrowths of the root problem — the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.” …”[m]ilitias expelled Arabs using home demolitions, massacres, rape, beatings, bombings and widespread threats of terror.34

The day before the delivery of the 2012 court decision of a civil suit filed by the family of Rachel Corrie, Garwood attacked the efficacy of the Israeli court system. Garwood refused to accept the notion that an Israeli court would review the evidence before it and come to an independent decision.

If the Israeli court rules tomorrow against the Corrie family, it means that shoddy investigations were rubber stamped and that Israeli military impunity has been preserved. Such a verdict would also implicitly declare ‘open season’ not only on nonviolent Palestinian and Israeli human rights activists, but also on international human rights defenders as well.35

Garwood’s description of ISM members as “international human rights defenders” is a personal one, given that she herself volunteered with ISM. Garwood participated on an ISM trip in July 2002, only a few months before Corrie arrived. In a letter to the editor following Corrie’s death, Garwood directed readers to the ISM website for a better understanding of the “facts” regarding Corrie’s death.36

Garwood was also affiliated with the Gaza Ark project, an attempt to build a ship in Gaza and sail it to a European country with goods for export. The intention is to “challeng[e] the illegal and inhumane Israeli blockade of Gaza.”37 Participating in a 2012 conference call on the project, Garwood commented: “Amnesty doesn’t take a position on these initiatives, but personally I come in contact with so many people I’d like to follow this initiative and support where possible.”38

Later, Garwood revealed Amnesty’s caricatured view of Israel’s military and long-term struggle with terrorism:

It’s the position of Amnesty International and other NGOs that Israel would be very capable of keeping weapons from entering the Gaza Strip (at least as well as they are doing now) and to keep in whomever poses a legitimate threat to Israel without the severe restrictions and total closure regime/blockade on the small strip of land.39

Frank Johnansson

Frank Johnansson, head of Amnesty’s Finland branch, referred to Israel a “scum state” in a 2010 blogpost. In response to media inquiries as to “whether there are other countries aside from Israel that, according to him, meet the definition of a ‘scum state,’ Johansson did not specify any, but noted that there are Russian officials’ who meet the criteria.”40 An Amnesty spokesperson attempted to retranslate his comment into “creep state.” As of January 2015, Johansson was still the Executive Director of Amnesty’s Finland branch.41

Sunjeev Bery

Amnesty-USA hired Sunjeev Bery in August 2011 as its Middle East and North Africa Advocacy Director. Bery’s previous writings reveal a particular ideological and political approach to Israel and the Arab-Israeli conflict. For instance, he claims that:

Israel has come to depend on having nondemocratic neighbors who rely on US patronage. Israeli policymakers fear that if these autocratic rulers are removed from power, Arab majorities will select leaders who are hostile to Israel.42

Bery also encouraged Israel to make peace with Hamas because “Hamas [had] already taken the first step by offering a long term truce.”43 He also claimed that Hamas, a repressive and violent terror group, “has deeper democratic roots than its competitor Fatah.”44 It is, therefore, unsurprising that Bery blames Israel for undermining peace negotiations,45 since “Hamas appears to be ready for full negotiations.”46


Here are another couple of articles so you can learn more about what is actually happening within Amnesty (and other NGO's):


Findings, but few facts
It is clear that Amnesty has failed to live up to professional fact-finding standards and ethical norms.


Amnesty International is losing its way
As the organization celebrates 50 years, it is clear that something has gone terribly wrong with this once-respected moral watchdog.
 
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