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The plans liberals have for Ireland


Telemachus

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I’ll define here first my understanding of what Liberalism is. Liberalism, in particular modern Liberalism is the desire to have a system in place where all people are equally satisfied, for people basically to get what they want as much as possible. To achieve this it seeks to have equality and non-discrimination as the highest moral principles in society. It discounts tradition and accepted habits in favour of a scientific and technological view of dealing with human affairs. Its ambitions are universal, ie the nation-state is irrelevant to it, religion also, it has worldwide aspirations.

Many people speak of Political Correctness when what they should be mentioning is Liberalism. Political Correctness is only a mechanism of Liberalism to help achieve Liberalisms aims. Decrying P.C. itself is missing the point.

We have seen a gradual liberalisation of this country in the social sphere particularly since 1990 but the tendency towards Liberalism had being growing since at least the 1960s, possibly originating from the American University system or perhaps emerging just as an inevitable reaction of society to Modernity itself(despite counter evidence from East Asian countries where social Liberalism hasn’t taken root to the same degree as in the West).

Anyway, at the moment the victory of Liberalism seems inevitable at a glance. Internationally, Social institutions once considered bastions of the traditional order have been taken over eg the Church of England. In public life statements asserting any form of discrimination or preference to particular groups are instant career enders for politicians. This is the reason there never has been a discussion on Immigration in the Dail. The only possible dark cloud is the financial crisis and its correspondent levels of unemployment and lack of funds for special programs.

I’ll list below some of the aims of liberals, some are primary, some are secondary, the media and elite often switch on which ones they will concentrate on in a given year. They differ in each western country, so for example at the moment in the US its Gun Restriction and in France its removing the terms mother and father from official documentation (I hear anecdotally that gay marriage and adoption is being pushed heavily at present also). I’ll only list liberal aims as applied to Ireland.

ItemStatus
Absorption of nations authority into supranational bodies (EU, UNHCR, etc)Ongoing
Acceptance of consensual Pedastry/PaedophiliaTo be completed
Ban on gender specific terminology in public documentsTo be completed
Cultural Marxist Education / Secularised education / Sensitivity TrainingOngoing - more to do
Easy access to Pornography for All agesComplete
Emigration as a "lifestyle choice"Complete
Equal access to Social Housing for Non-CitizensComplete
Full Voting rights for Non-CitizensTo be completed
Gender QuotasDone - more to do
Hates Crime Laws/Increased sentences for "hate" motivated crimes.Ongoing
Hate Speech lawsDone - more to do
Policing the Internet for thought crime.Started.
Homosexual AdoptionTo be completed
Homosexual Civil MarriageImminent
Homosexual NormalisationOngoing through Media
Illegal Immigrant AmnestyTo be completed
International socialism /State Charity / Overseas AidComplete
Limited AbortionPartially Complete [2013]
Lowering the voting age
Imminent
Mandatory "Sensitivity" Training Education for ChildrenDone - more to do
Mass ImmigrationComplete / Ongoing [1997 - Present]
Neglect of Indigenous culture, tradition, language (eg status of Irish)Ongoing
On Demand Abortion or InfanticideTo be completed
On demand no fault DivorceTo be completed
Race/Ethnic/Age Quotas etcTo be completed
Ratification of Convention on Rights of the ChildComplete
Removal of God from the constitutionTo be completed
Removal of references to mothers in the home from the constitutionImminent
Right to Die (Euthanasia)To be completed
Supporting armed intervention and sanctions against non-liberal nationsOngoing


I don’t aim to be comprehensive as there are so many aims of liberals but I’ll list all the ones that I can remember at this point. Some of these are enacted also by right-liberals and are not exclusively the aims of left-liberals.

I thought it would be interesting to post a list and at a future point review to see how liberal goals and aspirations are proceeding. If you think important items are missing, inaccurate or misrepresented do comment.
 
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Radix

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Equality in the gutter?
 

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Many of these things are about equality - economic, social, cultural - for all people. (Not the paedophilia one though!). Thats not liberalism thats republicanism.
 

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Item 2 in your table - To be completed? :shock:
 

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You forgot enforced sterilisation of anyone with an 'm' in their name.

Happy New Year!
 

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Whe are the plans to lower the voters age?
Thats one of the items to be pushed by the constitutional convention. Its scope is to lower the age to 16. But that just an arbitrary number, why not 15? Why not 10? I guess 16 is more likely to be accepted for now.

Factual said:
Good spot. If anything we are getting harder on that than in previous generations.
I anticipate a lowering of the age of consent and then this being applied across all possible combinations of "relationship" so there wont be any difference in treatment on say a 14 year old boy having relations with a 18 year old girl to a 40 year old man having relations with a 14 year old boy. Later then this age could be lowered further.

‘Lower age of consent’ says gay rights campaigner
 

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Yeah I hate liberals. They think that every foetus aborted and every act of sodomy is some sort of victory.
 

Upper Chamber

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Happy New Year Tel, planning to chill out with a few beers and catch what's on T.V.?
 
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cabledude

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I anticipate a lowering of the age of consent and then this being applied across all possible combinations of "relationship" so there wont be any difference in treatment on say a 14 year old boy having relations with a 18 year old girl to a 40 year old man having relations with a 14 year old boy. Later then this age could be lowered further
Are paedeophilia and the age of consent not too separate issues?
 

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Wow, this thread is a spooky place!
 

Telemachus

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Happy New Year Tel, planning to chill out with a few beers and catch wht's on T.V.?
I'm watching the shockingly degenerate "Movie" Kick-Ass. It included scenes of basically children being violently assaulted.
 

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I'm watching the shockingly degenerate "Movie" Kick-Ass. It included scenes of basically children being violently assaulted.
I completely agree, it is appalling.
However as to the rest of your theses, don't you think you are exaggerating just a teeny bit?
 

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I completely agree, it is appalling.
However as to the rest of your theses, don't you think you are exaggerating just a teeny bit?
If politics.ie existed 50 years ago and I posted about the stuff going on today. I think similar comments such as yours may have been made.
 

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I'm watching the shockingly degenerate "Movie" Kick-Ass. It included scenes of basically children being violently assaulted.
And you are watching it because.............?
 

Cato

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And you are watching it because.............?
I was wondering that myself. He's not the only anti-liberal traditionalist to comment on degenerate films or other forms of entertainment and one must wonder why they watch them. I, someone happy to identify as a liberal, spent yesterday watching Richard II and Henry IV, Part I (I'm ill and have the time and Mrs. Cato, excellent GLW that she is, took our two children out for the day).
 

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I'm watching the shockingly degenerate "Movie" Kick-Ass. It included scenes of basically children being violently assaulted.
s-w-i-t-c-h o-v-e-r
 

Kevin Doyle

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Are paedeophilia and the age of consent not too separate issues?
Apparently not.

if telemuccus gets his way we'd all be brought back to victorian values where everone is treated like a child.
 

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Yeah I hate liberals. They think that every foetus aborted and every act of sodomy is some sort of victory.
And so Poe's Law is once again validated.
 
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