The Poor: should anti-discrimination laws protect them?

Congalltee

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Action urged to tackle discrimination against the poor

As everyone - bar bakers and printers - know, a service provider cannot discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation. Nor can a niteclub discrimate on grounds of race. An exclusive golf course chose to forgive liquor over women members in the greatest equality challenge of our time.

But what about the poor (and those perceived to be poor)?

No social welfare allowance - an attempt was made to ban it, but with rents increasing so much, it is academic.

Employers not be allowed to discriminate between a job seeker from Clontarf or Clondalkin, or between a former student of Clongoes or a community tech?

Restaurants not being allowed to turn away a settled, able bodied, white male because they don't want his type.

A) is such a law necessary?
B) is it enforceable?
C) will it work?
D) how many posters won't read the link or thread and respond with cliches about PC gone mad, equality industry, lawyers lining up?
E) at what point are businesses free to turn away trade?
 


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Ah, no better to carry on as a class riven society masquerading as a republic than do anything to actually tackle inequality.

Queue the right wingnuts to tell us there is no such thing whilst using adjectives and sweeping genealistaions about "de poor".


We can play anti-poor Bingo.

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Ah, no better to carry on as a class riven society masquerading as a republic than do anything to actually tackle inequality.

Queue the right wingnuts to tell us there is no such thing whilst using adjectives and sweeping genealistaions about "de poor".


We can play anti-poor Bingo.

Tracksuit clad
Skangers
Pyjama weaing
Sky Sports
Dutch gold
Cum dumpsters
Sluts
Sporgs
Offspring
Vermin
Inter-generational layabouts
Wasters
Mickey money
 

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Its "funny" the way people who will not hear a word said against homosexuals will happily engage in gross slander of all Travellers.
 

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the rent allowance one is an interesting one. Most private landlords are small beer, maybe accidental landlords who like myself would prefer minimum risks and a lower rent. I wouldn't rent to social welfare or anyone not in a professional job, that's my choice, other landlords probably think social welfare renters are brilliant especially if they have a lot of properties
So if there was a law it would just waste people's time as you would just go by their occupation and there would be no way to prove the landlord's intentions
 

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It was quite ironic a Labour supporter linked an article yesterday by a former FFer (who went on to help found the PD's and then went back to FF to be an adviser to Ahern)....which designed to have a pop at the socialists and Murphy in particular then in one paragraph went on to bemoan the fact and was arguing the case we never established a true people driven Republic.....:D
 

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Its "funny" the way people who will not hear a word said against homosexuals will happily engage in gross slander of all Travellers.
Indeed ..

I'd disagree with you on many points but this isn't one of them.....

Some of the same people also made some horrific comments about leaving people to float in the Med and about leaving old people to die on trolleys in the recent debate on SSM out of fear that these groups and their own agenda....

Dunno how they have the neck to speak about equality after that.....it's either across the board or not at all.......
 

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What on earth is a "true Republic"? I agree that the DPRK is not a true Republic but a de facto Monarchy (which is one of the reasons I like it) but how on earth is the Republic of Ireland not a true Republic?
 

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What on earth is a "true Republic"? I agree that the DPRK is not a true Republic but a de facto Monarchy (which is one of the reasons I like it) but how on earth is the Republic of Ireland not a true Republic?
Ask Gerard Howlin he wrote the article....

Elitist far-left has gained traction but its fascism is affront to democracy | Irish Examiner

My own view is the sort of society we have built is one of inequality with a foundation of sand and exploitation and by pandering to sections and certain groupings within society for the last 90 years who have bankrupted the country by pure unaldulterated greed and that's why it's beginning to crumble....

The TINA argument advanced by Howlin in the article and others on here won't stand up anymore
 

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It was quite ironic a Labour supporter linked an article yesterday by a former FFer (who went on to help found the PD's and then went back to FF to be an adviser to Ahern)....which designed to have a pop at the socialists and Murphy in particular then in one paragraph went on to bemoan the fact and was arguing the case we never established a true people driven Republic.....:D
The irony in that was said poster saw nothing wrong with that.

Shows how far to the right Irish Labour have moved.
 

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The irony in that was said poster saw nothing wrong with that.

Shows how far to the right Irish Labour have moved.
Well have not the nasty people's party (Fine Gael) always been their prefered partner in government?
 

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The irony in that was said poster saw nothing wrong with that.

Shows how far to the right Irish Labour have moved.

I did make the modest suggestion to several of our posters looking for a right wing alternative to FF-FG with a hard economic and socially liberal agenda that panders to the middle class without the "religious fruitloopery " as one poster termed it that the Labour party should be a serious contender on their list as no one from the political or bizniz spectrum seem to be stepping forward....:D
 

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I did make the modest suggestion to several of our posters looking for a right wing alternative to FF-FG with a hard economic and socially liberal agenda that panders to the middle class without the "religious fruitloopery " as one poster termed it that the Labour party should be a serious contender on their list as no one from the political or bizniz spectrum seem to be stepping forward....:D
may get Irish Trump (Michael O'Leary) to head up FF?
 

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may get Irish Trump (Michael O'Leary) to head up FF?
I think he is addressing the faithful shortly after his recent triumph a few weeks back with the tweedledumbers......

PD nua with Mick as our own version of Donald Chump...?

Could he be the long awaited Messiah to finally bring the cheeks to their natural resting place beside each other..?
 

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To get back to the OP .....with current political trends as outlined above and a circling of the wagons with the centre right i doubt we will see any significant movement anytime soon on that issue....

Eoghanacht in post #2 outlines the labels used in the media along with so called reality TV shows which constantly seek to exploit and dehumanise those less fortunate as some sort of scroungers and not take responsibility of the political choices and decisions that lead to these situations that many promote to their readers.....

It's quite interesting that the recent report criticizing the ownership of our media led to the same media trying to blacken those who helped compile it....

Too many in this country want a return to the 'Tiger part deux' with little eye to the future or the dangers we face into or any sort of concern of those less fortunate as evidenced by the surge in FF popularity.
 

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Ah, no better to carry on as a class riven society masquerading as a republic than do anything to actually tackle inequality.

Queue the right wingnuts to tell us there is no such thing whilst using adjectives and sweeping genealistaions about "de poor".


We can play anti-poor Bingo.

Tracksuit clad
Skangers
Pyjama weaing
Sky Sports
Dutch gold
Cum dumpsters
Sluts
Sporgs
Offspring
Vermin
Inter-generational layabouts
Wasters
I have on occasion been referred to on here as a right wingnut so I might be qualified to respond. Personally I think one of the biggest threats to a settled and cohesive society is poverty, and tackling it should be a (if not the) priority. The problem is what to do, since nothing seems to work anywhere. In my opinion, the best way to tackle poverty, and therefore the inequalities it breeds, is to make it easier for people to find work, and to stay in jobs once they get them. This not only helps alleviate poverty, but keeps people busy so they don't fall into trouble. How this can be done is another matter. I'd go with the carrot and stick approach - I think everyone who is in receipt of social welfare and able bodied, should be obliged to either engage in further education, or volunteerism. If you don't do either, then you are penalised financially. I think every child in the state should be obliged to complete school up to leaving cert level, with the parents penalised if they don't. I think everyone who completes the leaving cert should be obliged to either go on to further education, work, or volunteer to help in a sports club, community group etc. If they don't do any of these things, they should not receive social welfare.
I think the government should put the resources into achieving this whatever it takes - subsidised childcare, subsidised public transport, low cost student loans, whatever. It would undoubtedly have an upfront cost, but the reduced social welfare bill, likely reduction in crime, and eventual additional income tax receipts should more than make up for it. It may just result in a happier, more productive and safer society too.
All this may make me some kind of right wing nut, but I think everyone is happier when they are working than when they are not.
 

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Absolutely! relevant skills, experience and education should be the only barriers to employment. Classism and all that rugby school ************************e needs to go, how it is enforced is problematic. With regard to private tenancies, that's a different kettle of fish. It'd really be unenforceable and it would be unfair to the service provider if other aspects of the law are not enforced.

For example you can't exclude travelers from your bar because of the equal status act, but if/when same travelers decide they're going to smash the place up, the only person who's paying for the damage and the medical bills for the staff is the owner and the law will have nothing to say to perps. So since we all know that criminal and civil law doesn't apply to certain groups in society then really you'll find a way around equality legislation, and who could blame you in such a case.

It is my view that until we have ACTUAL law enforcement in this country, more prison spaces, real sentencing and real enforcement then we are only wasting our time bringing in new offences.
 

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Regarding employment.

Any C.V. will scream in dog whistles what a candidate's background is.

Even without mentioning schools.

And then there is the interview. Most people are what you see in terms of "class".

And if you have done a "My fair Lady " on it, then you have assimilated. ..

Bouncer cr@p is a joke though... Conduct is everything.
 

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In Rhodesia as soon as a fair electoral system of voting came in the wealthier blacks had all the power.

In Europe when women got the right to vote it benefited women from a wealthy background the most.
 

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In Rhodesia as soon as a fair electoral system of voting came in the wealthier blacks had all the power.

In Europe when women got the right to vote it benefited women from a wealthy background the most.
Edith Nesbit who wrote Five Children and It (my better half had really wonderful children's books growing up, I had crap kiddies' versions of Bible stories) opposed giving women the vote because we are more naturally conservative and she felt it would work against the Socialist cause- I dont know about elsewhere but in the UK women have tended more than men to vote Conservative (I never call them Tory because since the time of Disraeli there has been little Tory about them, which flies in the face of the Seppo Libertarian woman hating propaganda on Youtube.
 


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