The Power of Nightmares

Pidge

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I just saw that Adam Curtis won a BAFTA for his three-part documentary series, The Power of Nightmares.

I had seen the documentaries on BBC and remembered how great they were. I did a quick Google search for them and found that they're availiable to download, in good quality, here.

As far as I can tell, the download is legal too.

They're really, really great documentaries, which challenge and educate your opinions on both American neo-conservatism and extreme Islam. I can't recommend them enough. Did anyone else see them when they were shown?

The three files are fairly big, but shouldn't take too long if you've got a good enough broadband.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares
 


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Just watched the first episode. It's a good starting point that both neo-cons and islamic fundamentalists are conservatives but I'm not sold thus far.

1. there's little/no economic analysis
2. Some of the stuff is quite non-sequiter. The more he needs to lay out his argument the lower quality chap he uses which is never a good sign.

I'll watch the next 2 though..... as a look at two of the most important groups in contemporary geopolitics it's not bad
 

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campbeca said:
Just watched the first episode. It's a good starting point that both neo-cons and islamic fundamentalists are conservatives but I'm not sold thus far.

1. there's little/no economic analysis
2. Some of the stuff is quite non-sequiter. The more he needs to lay out his argument the lower quality chap he uses which is never a good sign.

I'll watch the next 2 though..... as a look at two of the most important groups in contemporary geopolitics it's not bad
It's not for everyone, I just really enjoyed it.

With regard to your first point, I think the reason he doesn't deal with economics is that:
a) Islamic fundamentalism doesn't hold a common philosophy on economic issues, whereas neoconservatism does.
b) Neoconservative economics isn't as (I'm not sure if this is quite the right word) original as their other policies, especially concerning military issues, which the series focusses on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Strauss' economics seem largely taken from monetarism with a touch of the classicals.

As for your second point, I think Curtis really went back to basics and explored it from the barebones to his conclusions. This is something he can afford to do over three episodes and it allows him to challenge our entire perception of the groups involved.
 

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I just started watching the first episode and find it excellent.

Donald Rumsfeld's creation of the bogey man when it came to supposed huge Soviet development of military technology and capabilities when it was clearly not the case and again decades later, with the so called ''weapons of mass destruction'' really shows what a despicable human being he is.
 

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Adam Curtis will have a new documentary on the BBC iPlayer in the next few weeks
 

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Curtis is excellent. Anyone seen his 2002 BBC series "The Century of the Self", in which he showed how Freud's theories were repackaged, firstly in the US and later in the rest of the developed world, to create mass consumerism?

Unfortunately, the more dim-witted conspiracists seized on it to make the case that Matthew Freud, Sigmund's grandson, and renowned PR guru in the UK was the Eminence Grise behind gloabalisation, or some such tin-foil hattery. And did we mention he was a JOO?

Frank, Furedi, may you make of him what you will, was here 10 or 12 years in his book "Politics of Fear", the follow-up to "Culture of Fear", which argued that all govts, as well as media and commercial interests, are now in the business of generating terror - whether of Isamicists, paedophiles, cancer from carrots, etc etc. This is the only way they know how to govern, or how to sell you something. A lot of them beleive it themselves. Interesting analysis.
 

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It's amazing the degree of lies and deceit certain sections of power in society will carry out to just advance their own twisted ideology.

The ''terror network'' being an example of this.
 

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I just started watching the first episode and find it excellent.

Donald Rumsfeld's creation of the bogey man when it came to supposed huge Soviet development of military technology and capabilities when it was clearly not the case and again decades later, with the so called ''weapons of mass destruction'' really shows what a despicable human being he is.

And you're adamant they weren't 'Socialist', either!!!:lol:

I'm starting to see a trend towards airbrushing, old son.......petunia
 

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Curtis is excellent. Anyone seen his 2002 BBC series "The Century of the Self", in which he showed how Freud's theories were repackaged, firstly in the US and later in the rest of the developed world, to create mass consumerism?

Unfortunately, the more dim-witted conspiracists seized on it to make the case that Matthew Freud, Sigmund's grandson, and renowned PR guru in the UK was the Eminence Grise behind gloabalisation, or some such tin-foil hattery. And did we mention he was a JOO?

Frank, Furedi, may you make of him what you will, was here 10 or 12 years in his book "Politics of Fear", the follow-up to "Culture of Fear", which argued that all govts, as well as media and commercial interests, are now in the business of generating terror - whether of Isamicists, paedophiles, cancer from carrots, etc etc. This is the only way they know how to govern, or how to sell you something. A lot of them beleive it themselves. Interesting analysis.
Niaomi Klein wrote about the politics of fear too.
 

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And you're adamant they weren't 'Socialist', either!!!:lol:

I'm starting to see a trend towards airbrushing, old son.......petunia
Read the points I raised regarding how it was not Socialism.

Also, with regards to the Soviet weaponry issue, it is clear that this was not the case, both at the time and after the fall of the Soviet Union. It turned out to be so. Surely you aren't more of a neo conservative than Donald Rumsfeld, still believing this is true when the evidence clearly shows it was false?
 

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''I think probably one of the greatest myths in America, in the political discourse now, right now, is that actions of the American government were responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union collapsed like a house of cards because it was a house of cards. It rotted away from within. The economy was rotten, the political process was rotten, they had developed a central government that was no longer believed by people outside of Moscow, there was total cynicism throughout the Soviet system of governance, there was no real civil society.''

Melvin Goodman , Head of Office of Soviet Affairs CIA, 1976-1987.

A quote worth remembering.
 


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