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The price of policing the 'Marching Season'.


theloner

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The monetary cost of parades is 'unsustainable' claims the head of the Parades Commission, Peter Osborne. The cost of this years so called 'Marching Season' was over £7 million.

Quite an amazing statistic, considering the DUP's strange concern about the 'exorbitant increase in the retail price of men's razor blade cartridges', it would be better for it to look closer to home and ask for an investigation into why £600,000 was spent policing an Orange Order parade in the small town of Rasharkin.

Thankfully over in Glasgow, the number of parades has fallen by 27% over the last year and the cost of policing the marching season is £250,000. There are big complaints in Glasgow city centre and the damage it does to business, but whereas Glasgow's costs are falling, NI's cost has increased from £5.7 million in 2011, to £7.4 million in 2012.

The commission has said dialogue is key in bringing down the cost of policing marches, and although some district lodges do speak with the Parades Commission and residents' groups, the stance of the Grand Lodge has always been one of non-engagement. It was only last month that the Grand Lodge allowed local lodges to decide if they wanted to meet groups in their area to seek agreement on contentious parades.

Parades policing 'unsustainable' - UTV Live News

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/local/mp-aims-to-shave-cost-of-razor-blades-1-4393397
 
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vivabrigada

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The Loyal Orders need to have an honest look at themselves. They refused to talk to Nationalist resident on the grounds that they were "fronts for terrorists", while they sit with Loyalists on the North and West Belfast parades Cultural Forum. They claim they are a harmless cultural group , but a close look at them shows they are anything but. What other cultural group can summon the leaders of Unionism to a stately home in England to discuss how the go forward in elections?

One telling phrase jumps out from this article by Niall Meehan
"there have been many expulsions for marrying Catholics, none for killing them."
Academia.edu | Between a Rock and Hard Gospel - the Orange Order and the Church of Ireland | Niall Meehan
 

between the bridges

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yawn
 

vivabrigada

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The Orange Order suspended prominent Orangeman Mark Harbinson when he was accused of raping a 13 year old schoolgirl, pending the result of the trial.
This is the same Order that allowed Norman Coopey to remain a member after he was convicted of the sectarian murder of a 16 year old Catholic schoolboy and throwing his body into a pit full of dead farm animals.

Coopey later resigned from the Orange Order, he was not expelled.
Maybe he didn't like the company he was keeping.
 

SgtBilko

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The Orange Order suspended prominent Orangeman Mark Harbinson when he was accused of raping a 13 year old schoolgirl, pending the result of the trial.
This is the same Order that allowed Norman Coopey to remain a member after he was convicted of the sectarian murder of a 16 year old Catholic schoolboy and throwing his body into a pit full of dead farm animals.

Coopey later resigned from the Orange Order, he was not expelled.
Maybe he didn't like the company he was keeping.
Dry yer eyes. Come back to us when Sinn Fein start banning convicted murderers from their party.

Maybe then you'll have a point. Until then....*yawn*.
 

vivabrigada

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Dry yer eyes. Come back to us when Sinn Fein starts banning convicted murders from that party. Maybe then you'll have a point.
SF don't claim to be merely a religious cultural organisation.
The OO do.
Their behaviour suggests otherwise.
 

vivabrigada

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The OO refused to talk to Nationalists and Republicans as they claimed they were a "front for terrorists", while having sectarian murderers in their ranks.
Loyalists have killed at least 29 protestants since the ceasefire, yet leading Loyalists were allowed on to the balcony at Clifton St Orange Hall during a Republican parade.
Who gave them the keys?
 
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The OO refused to talk to Nationalists and Republicans as they claimed they were a "front for terrorists", while having sectarian murderers in their ranks.
Loyalists have killed at least 29 protestants since the ceasefire, yet leading Loyalists were allowed on to the balcony at Clifton St Orange Hall during a Republican parade.
Who gave them the keys?
Nobody.............they are the current custodians?
 

eskrimador

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The Orange Order suspended prominent Orangeman Mark Harbinson when he was accused of raping a 13 year old schoolgirl, pending the result of the trial.
This is the same Order that allowed Norman Coopey to remain a member after he was convicted of the sectarian murder of a 16 year old Catholic schoolboy and throwing his body into a pit full of dead farm animals.

Coopey later resigned from the Orange Order, he was not expelled.
Maybe he didn't like the company he was keeping.
THey also had (maybe still have) a convicted gang rapist in their ranks. Strangely. they said they couldn't buck him out.
 

between the bridges

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The monetary cost of parades is 'unsustainable' claims the head of the Parades Commission, Peter Osborne. The cost of this years so called 'Marching Season' was over £7 million.

Quite an amazing statistic, considering the DUP's strange concern about the 'exorbitant increase in the retail price of men's razor blade cartridges', it would be better for it to look closer to home and ask for an investigation into why £600,000 was spent policing an Orange Order parade in the small town of Rasharkin.

Thankfully over in Glasgow, the number of parades has fallen by 27% over the last year and the cost of policing the marching season is £250,000. There are big complaints in Glasgow city centre and the damage it does to business, but whereas Glasgow's costs are falling, NI's cost have increased to £7.4 million in 2012, to £5.7 million in 2012.

The commission has said dialogue is key in bringing down the cost of policing marches, and although some district lodges do speak with the Parades Commission and residents' groups, the stance of the Grand Lodge has always been one of non-engagement. It was only last month that the Grand Lodge allowed local lodges to decide if they wanted to meet groups in their area to seek agreement on contentious parades.

Parades policing 'unsustainable' - UTV Live News

MP aims to shave cost of razor blades - Local - Belfast Newsletter
The reality is that 'contentious' parades vastly inflate the costs i.e £1 million for the security operation at the Ardoyne, £600,000 for Rasharkin. removing the 'contentious' parades (which of course includes the costs of any 'protests') reduces the figure by 1/3 to 1/2. so these should be focused on by all involved for cost reductions.

At the other end of the scale are the small non contentious parades where police presence is only required for traffic control, at present even qualified event marshal's are not legally entitled to provide traffic control, if this was changed it would also help reduce costs.

Even at larger non contentious parades the police have a habit of providing large scale back up in the event of 'trouble' this policy needs to be reviewed, i.e i am aware of a parade that has been incident for free for 35 years yet the police engaged a 50 man 'reserve'!!
also the total 7m figure is for policing everything that comes under the heading of 'parades', that includes everything from St Patrick's day to vintage car rally's.

As for businesses some retail may decrease turn over (a lot of parades take place in the evening/sunday morning when many retails businesses are closed or don't have much trade) during a parade however services increase.Extrapolating the early results of an on going survey show that the parading culture generates anything from 30-50 million per year.
 
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Maírtinmác

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There is a simple solution to this farce...

Make the OO finance their own marches ie, policing bill..
 

between the bridges

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There is a simple solution to this farce...

Make the OO finance their own marches ie, policing bill..
shared future old son you cant be singling out anyone so the 'protesters' should also be responsible,( i would guess there would be a lot less protests!!) as well as St Patrick's day organizers , charities, scouts parades etc...
 

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shared future old son you cant be singling out anyone so the 'protesters' should also be responsible,( i would guess there would be a lot less protests!!) as well as St Patrick's day organizers , charities, scouts parades etc...



You still don't get it do you?

FFS, there would be no protests if the hate festers did not march where they are not welcome.
 

DT123

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You still don't get it do you?

FFS, there would be no protests if the hate festers did not march where they are not welcome.
You never told us how your "American observers" got on at the parades,any update?
 

Tommythesash

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Seven million pounds for what? Northern Ireland is the only place in the world that promotes sectarianism and then tries to sell it as tourism and culture.
 

between the bridges

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You never told us how your "American observers" got on at the parades,any update?
i have mopeymick on ignore, he knows this but continues to comment on my comments in the hope that others will think i have no reply to his amazing debating skills!! kinda sums him up...
 

Tommythesash

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You never told us how your "American observers" got on at the parades,any update?
Many of them don't want to return. They get very upset and the open displays of drunkeness, drug abuse and violence at the bonfires.

[video=youtube;4nzDuiv3U8o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4nzDuiv3U8o#t=11s[/video]
 
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