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The "radicalisation" of youth - let's look a little closer to home


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Jan 2, 2013
Fans of the documentary Bowling for Columbine will recall M Moore's words, "are we gun nuts, or just nuts?" to ask if indeed it was the presence of guns in American hands that spurred the regular carnage to which Americans have become inured, if not oblivious.

After the Boston bombings, according to a report in the Indo,

Road to Perdition: how bomb-suspect brothers became radicalised - Independent.ie

Like all of America, the family struggled yesterday to make sense of how – as Barack Obama put it when he addressed the nation – two young men who grew up and studied in America, "as part of our communities and our country", could resort to such violence?
As pointed out in an oped piece in the guardian

Why does America lose its head over 'terror' but ignore its daily gun deaths? | Michael Cohen | Comment is free | The Observer

The same day of the marathon bombing in Boston, 11 Americans were murdered by guns. The pregnant Breshauna Jackson was killed in Dallas, allegedly by her boyfriend. In Richmond, California, James Tucker III was shot and killed while riding his bicycle – assailants unknown. Nigel Hardy, a 13-year-old boy in Palmdale, California, who was being bullied in school, took his own life. He used the gun that his father kept at home. And in Brooklyn, New York, an off-duty police officer used her department-issued Glock 9mm handgun to kill herself, her boyfriend and her one-year old child.

At the same time that investigators were in the midst of a high-profile manhunt for the marathon bombers that ended on Friday evening, 38 more Americans – with little fanfare – died from gun violence. One was a 22-year old resident of Boston. They are a tiny percentage of the 3,531 Americans killed by guns in the past four months – a total that surpasses the number of Americans who died on 9/11 and is one fewer than the number of US soldiers who lost their lives in combat operations in Iraq. Yet, none of this daily violence was considered urgent enough to motivate Congress to impose a mild, commonsense restriction on gun purchasers.
Who "radicalised" the people who pulled guns on innocents in America? Factoring out any clear cases of clinical depression that lead to murder / suicides (I usually look at small children as a possible indicator of extreme post-natal depression, such as the police officer who ended her family's life) I would say that it is fairly clear that Americans (and people in general around the world) are heartily murdering each other on a very regular basis that dwarfs the actions thta dominate the news.

I believe, in fact, that it is because Americans hold ceratin things more dear than life itself, and one of these things is "liberty" or as we recall from the Bush era, the now-meaningless word "freedom".

The actions of the Boston bombers were political in their direction (though no doubt heavily influenced through an inability to be happy wherever they were, and I further bet led by the mentality of the elder brother). Hence, they were a blow against American "Freedom". The entire city waits for the forces of justice to apprehend the bombers and then celebrates at the blood sacrifice of the elder and the imminent bringing of justice to the younger, and the ritual of mourning of heroes is brought to a close, as memorials are surely already planned.

Meanwhile, in a back alley in Detroit, some poor black kid who went down a bad path, is not coming home to his mother tonight, as someone has ended his life in violence. And nobody will really care outside of the few who knew him.

Who has radicalised Americans to believe that politically directed violence is the greatest sin of all? Who has radicalised Americans to believe that foreign invasions resulting in uncountable deaths of innocents to protect some kind of ideological, political and economic status quo are sacrifices of heroes? Who has radicalised Americans to murder each other in their tens of thousands every year in abrupt, brutal acts of violence?

It seems that Obama cannot radicalise his people back to peace, as the Senate failure demonstrated. Perhaps he is half hearted too as he is ultimately, a believer in the inevitability of violence.


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Jan 14, 2011
Guns are destroying America. Unfortunately the loony far right have a strangle hold of the political system in Washington. Don't expect any meaningful tightening of gun laws any time soon.


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Feb 24, 2013
Just nuts. Step back and look at the facts...50 years ago it was easier to get a gun and there was less gun violence in America...why then the uptick? Aristotle told us society is ordered in either one of two ways:

1. Man controls and limits himself. External control (the state) is not needed.
2. Man does not control himself. External control (the state) is needed.

As a society becomes more licentious it loses control of itself, external controls become necessary. A great way to control/corrupt a society is to encourage the pursuit of passion and desire...this is the path to totalitarianism.
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