The real reason we will never beat homelessness...

Reasunach

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'The goal is to change the stigma': Homeless Dublin man setting up charity to help homeless

This man, far from wanting to "help" the homeless, simply wants to enable them to continue in their homeless existence. Further discussion on the journal shows that he is quite happy with his lot and simply wants to end the "stigma" of being homeless. He seems quite happy to survive on his "€186" a week and the various charitable handouts. Now he has a gofundme site so that he can travel around Europe promoting his message! Here's a quote from him:

"We don’t have it that bad in this country. We have a system in place where – I mean, we have it bad in that we’re on the streets, nobody should be homeless – but we have a system of €186 every week, we have a system where we can ring up and get a sleeping bag, or a try and get a bed or try and get a six month hostel."

If someone wants to live a "hippy" lifestyle fine, go ahead. But don't try to tell me that somebody who has been homeless for 16 years should have their chosen way of life funded for them.
 


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The real reason we have homelessness is that a small gang of landowners, banksters and developers have to get colossal profits on every home. Then we have had half a million immigrants flooding into Ireland in just a few years, which has been an enormous windfall for this landowner elite and has driven the native Irish into an even worse situation.

Besides that, the people you refer to on the streets are mostly suffering from mental illness. IN any decent country they would be in hospital, not out on the streets.
 

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The real reason we have homelessness is that a small gang of landowners, banksters and developers have to get colossal profits on every home. Then we have had half a million immigrants flooding into Ireland in just a few years, which has been an enormous windfall for this landowner elite and has driven the native Irish into an even worse situation.

Besides that, the people you refer to on the streets are mostly suffering from mental illness. IN any decent country they would be in hospital, not out on the streets.

True. I have come to a conclusion that bankers are the greatest parasites on the Irish nation. But obviously some people benefit from the banksters
 

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The real reason we have homelessness is that a small gang of landowners, banksters and developers have to get colossal profits on every home. Then we have had half a million immigrants flooding into Ireland in just a few years, which has been an enormous windfall for this landowner elite and has driven the native Irish into an even worse situation.

Besides that, the people you refer to on the streets are mostly suffering from mental illness. IN any decent country they would be in hospital, not out on the streets.
The guy in question doesn't appear to be suffering from a mental illness, he is just happy to live off the handouts of others. If you read the article and then the comments he seems to be quite proud of his lifestyle, while at the same time complaining that he doesn't get enough. He wanted to get into Electric Picnic for free, managed it somehow and then boasted that he stayed off drink and drugs for the weekend, just smoked his weed. Yes I know....go figure.

Another example of how no matter how much you try to help people who don't want to be helped was Jonathan Corrie. His family bought him a number of properties which he sold in order to fund his lifestyle of drug abuse.

This is a decent country - people are no longer committed to asylums against their will for addiction or mental illness. Unfortunately the long term homeless are a consequence of this well meaning law.
 
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The guy in question doesn't appear to be suffering from a mental illness, he is just happy to live off the handouts of others. If you read the article and then the comments he seems to be quite proud of his lifestyle, while at the same time complaining that he doesn't get enough. He wanted to get into Electric Picnic for free, managed it somehow and then boasted that he stayed off drink and drugs for the weekend, just smoked his weed.

Another example of how no matter how much you try to help people who don't want to be helped was Jonathan Corrie. His family bought him a number of properties which he sold in order to fund his lifestyle of drug abuse.

This is a decent country - people are no longer committed to asylums against their will for addiction or mental illness. Unfortunately the long term homeless are a consequence of this well meaning law.
I would say that anyone who is happy to be homeless for 16 years is not in a very good state of mental health. I agree with you that the policy of letting people wander the streets and sleep rough is detrimental to society. But this is the chaos that Capitalism \ Liberalism creates.
 

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Homelessness is complex issue with many reasons. In my youth there was probably less but overcrowding in tenements and small homes was rampant. Newly weds often bunked in with parents for several years before moving on. The mental hospitals were crammed often with the homeless and moderately unstable. Boarding houses with landladies who took in boarders were common enough in the cities and towns. You didn't get much but you had a roof over the head. Bedsits, often cramped and unhygienic, blossomed in the 60s onwards and helped in some measure. They are probably contrary to planning laws now. The family was often a safety net against homelessness also as people crammed in together in poor conditions no matter what. Drugs have made a huge difference also on the landscape with addicts obsessed with getting a fix to the detriment of their own higher needs of shelter.
 

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lets restrict dole to those who pass a drink and drugs test. Put the failures into a workhouse on bread and water with hard labour.

problem solved.
 

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The guy in question doesn't appear to be suffering from a mental illness, he is just happy to live off the handouts of others. If you read the article and then the comments he seems to be quite proud of his lifestyle, while at the same time complaining that he doesn't get enough. He wanted to get into Electric Picnic for free, managed it somehow and then boasted that he stayed off drink and drugs for the weekend, just smoked his weed. Yes I know....go figure.

Another example of how no matter how much you try to help people who don't want to be helped was Jonathan Corrie. His family bought him a number of properties which he sold in order to fund his lifestyle of drug abuse.

This is a decent country - people are no longer committed to asylums against their will for addiction or mental illness. Unfortunately the long term homeless are a consequence of this well meaning law.

Ah yeah sure he's fine.

he's making a choice to take the drugs, sure he prefers drugs to a warm roof over his head, no evidence of mental illness you say?
 

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lets restrict dole to those who pass a drink and drugs test. Put the failures into a workhouse on bread and water with hard labour.

problem solved.


And what about those in the dail, and in offices and basically everyone who takes money off of someone, don't restrict it to the dole users.

They've wasted money on testing initiatives in the USA under the auspices of saving money, reality is that they spend more money drug testing all welfare recipients than they are saving through their restriction of those found to be using drugs, and the percentage was a lot lower than the perception.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/21/michigan-welfare-drug-testing-program
 

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lets restrict dole to those who pass a drink and drugs test. Put the failures into a workhouse on bread and water with hard labour.

problem solved.
The fact is that it's impossible to solve any problem in a Liberal Capitalist society. All you do is manage the problems - and badly at that.
 

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Are we expected to believe that the increase in homelessness to crisis levels in recent years has nothing to do with out dysfunctional property market? Has there simply been a coincidental increase in people adopting a "hippy" lifestyle?

Or is this just the old story of extreme cases being used as a stick with which to beat the unfortunate?
 
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The real reason we have homelessness is that a small gang of landowners, banksters and developers have to get colossal profits on every home. Then we have had half a million immigrants flooding into Ireland in just a few years, which has been an enormous windfall for this landowner elite and has driven the native Irish into an even worse situation.

Besides that, the people you refer to on the streets are mostly suffering from mental illness. IN any decent country they would be in hospital, not out on the streets.
You left out the politicians - 25% of whom are self-declared landlords and 100% of whom appear to have the best interest of the banksters at the heart of their "policies".
 

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Are we expected to believe that the increase in homelessness to crisis levels in recent years has noting to do with out dysfunctional property market? Has there simply been a coincidental increase in people adopting a "hippy" lifestyle?

Or is this just the old story of extreme cases being used as a stick with which to beat the unfortunate?
It is a particularly crass OP.

There will be a chunk who will never be fixed, but the OP is particularly offensive and stupid.
 

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lets restrict dole to those who pass a drink and drugs test. Put the failures into a workhouse on bread and water with hard labour.

problem solved.
drink is a perfectly legal drug in this country. Having one or two doesn't make you homeless
 

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It is a particularly crass OP.

There will be a chunk who will never be fixed, but the OP is particularly offensive and stupid.
Offensive and Stupid - how so? Your name would suggest that you approve of the kind of substance abuse that renders people vulnerable to becoming homeless. I am simply making the point that we will NEVER get to a point where there is zero homelessness as in a liberal democratic society such as ours, people have choices and some (such as the guy in the article) choose to exploit the charity of others so that they don't have to contribute. On his Facebook page, he actually boasts about things he got for free, and he is not shy about asking for stuff either.
 

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"Are we expected to believe that the increase in homelessness to crisis levels in recent years has noting to do with out dysfunctional property market? Has there simply been a coincidental increase in people adopting a "hippy" lifestyle?

Or is this just the old story of extreme cases being used as a stick with which to beat the unfortunate?"






The crisis levels are not what I was referring to. Simply put, we will never "eradicate" homelessness if some choose it. Unfortunately the good intentions of some enable others to eek out an existences that most of us find abhorrent but they are happy to accept.
 

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Offensive and Stupid - how so? Your name would suggest that you approve of the kind of substance abuse that renders people vulnerable to becoming homeless. I am simply making the point that we will NEVER get to a point where there is zero homelessness as in a liberal democratic society such as ours, people have choices and some (such as the guy in the article) choose to exploit the charity of others so that they don't have to contribute. On his Facebook page, he actually boasts about things he got for free, and he is not shy about asking for stuff either.
There are far too many people gainfully employed in the "homelessness" industry for there ever to be a solution without some radical overhaul of the system.

Exposing this shouldn't be considered crass. Thanks.
 

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lets restrict dole to those who pass a drink and drugs test. Put the failures into a workhouse on bread and water with hard labour.

problem solved.
well if it is anything like our prisons the workhouse should be able to supply them with the drugs and sure they are used to surviving on less than bread and water as it is.
 

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There are far too many people gainfully employed in the "homelessness" industry for there ever to be a solution without some radical overhaul of the system.

Exposing this shouldn't be considered crass. Thanks.
the gov are getting too big of a slice off the landlords money to bother solving the housing problem
 


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