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The Republican revolt against Trump



GDPR

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N one really knows what the f**k he is doing, including Trump.

John Bolton is telling US allies

  1. there is "no timeline" on the withdrawal.
  2. the withdrawal will not happen until Turkey guarantees it will not attack the Kurds.
So what is going on? Your guess is as good as mine.

No Syria withdrawal without Turkish pledge not to attack Kurds, Bolton says
More than anything else regarding foreign policy the manner in which Trump conducts it is a disaster. It is the abandonment of a careful national security process and planning in favor of careless instinct and immediate action. It is the triumph of Trump's own perceived day-to-day political needs over the safeguarding of United States strategic interests. It is the victory of the photo-op over material advantage and so on.
 

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Has anyone read any of the excellent books on Nazi Germany by Ian Kershaw, William Shirer, etc.? I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi- however, it appears he is using similar political tactics; attacking the veracity of legitimate news organisations, primarily only presenting himself in person to rallies of supporters, creating a propaganda news organisation ( sort of like Fox), verbal diatribes against ethnic groups to evoke the hatred of Germans, wanting to build extravagant vanity structures, and then Hitler took over total command of the Armed Forces with disastrous results ( good for the allies in my opinion); carpet chewing meetings with his official etc. But what worked in Nazi Germany will work in the USA. Not a chance. Enough Republican senators and congresspeople will have enough of his bluster someday and then it will be goodnight not-so-sweet prince.
 

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More than anything else regarding foreign policy the manner in which Trump conducts it is a disaster. It is the abandonment of a careful national security process and planning in favor of careless instinct and immediate action. It is the triumph of Trump's own perceived day-to-day political needs over the safeguarding of United States strategic interests. It is the victory of the photo-op over material advantage and so on.
Casting my mind back to 1990, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait and triggered the First Gulf War (ultimately, the second one also) as a result of mixed messages from the Bush Administration.

In a meeting, the US Ambassador to Iraq said to Saddam: “The U.S. has no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.”

In Washington a Senator at a confirmation hearing for the new US Ambassador to Kuwait said flippantly: "We should just divide Kuwait, give half to the Iraqis and half to the Saudis. That’s what we should do. That’s the way we’ll solve it."

Saddam interpreted these in a way that suited his aggressive instincts. But if there ever was a time when careless talk cost lives, this was it.

Trump making flippant and idiotic comments that his National Security Adviser then tries to walk back is going to cause big trouble some day.

A Day of Mixed Messages over Iraqs Invasion of Kuwait - Association for Diplomatic Studies and TrainingAssociation for Diplomatic Studies and Training

PS In 1990, Saddam was in a "good place" with the US, because of the Iran-Iraq War. The US in practice supported his regime, despite knowing of his poison gas attacks on Kurds.
 
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Yes I remember the first Gulf War and indeed she took a lot of stick for her flippant remarks. It was interpreted by Saddam as tacit permission by the US for him to invade Kuwait. A kind of different Munich agreement by Chamberlain.
 

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Has anyone read any of the excellent books on Nazi Germany by Ian Kershaw, William Shirer, etc.? I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi- however, it appears he is using similar political tactics; attacking the veracity of legitimate news organisations, primarily only presenting himself in person to rallies of supporters, creating a propaganda news organisation ( sort of like Fox), verbal diatribes against ethnic groups to evoke the hatred of Germans, wanting to build extravagant vanity structures, and then Hitler took over total command of the Armed Forces with disastrous results ( good for the allies in my opinion); carpet chewing meetings with his official etc. But what worked in Nazi Germany will work in the USA. Not a chance. Enough Republican senators and congresspeople will have enough of his bluster someday and then it will be goodnight not-so-sweet prince.
The fall of a democracy and its replacement by an autocracy has happened before, not just to the Weimar Republic, but in Italy and a lot of European countries like Poland in the 1930s. In fact, of all the states set up as a result of WWI, only Czechoslovakia survived as a democracy until 1939.

Trump is as much a symptom of increasing divisiveness within the system as he is a cause. What happened generally is that politicians take extra-legal and extra-judicial actions that become more and more extreme. Of course, often the aspirant autocrat is the author of the disruption - like the violence of Mussolini's squadristi and his March on Rome.

But we are not at that stage yet with Trump.

Trump is not a Populist, he is a Neo-Fascist ...
 

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Feel free to share your personal opinion on the articles that you re-post/re-tweet anytime soon.. :roll:
 

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I agree with the House on this. On the other hand the Rusal sanctions would have hurt a company in Ireland I heard.
 

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On approval ratings I found this short piece on Nixon's approval ratings quite interesting.

Nixon was in a much stronger position than Agent Orange for much of his Presidency. And held on to a core of devoted cultists to the very end.

However the collapse in support, when it came, was unstoppable. It still took over a year to play out though. Which is interesting cos if history repeats and if the Shutdown is the point where the base starts to really drift away, we'll be in early 2020 already by the time the GOP realises the game is up, with a Presidential election looming.

Nixons Presidential Approval Ratings
 

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On current polling he'd need about 125% of GOP to win because he is getting incinerated by Indos.

Might be time for Brett and the Supremes to weigh in for their boss
Sign off on POTUS Executive order raising voting age to 65

Trump tweeted last week that he is the most popular GOP POTUS of all time
Total BS of course, just like his clinging to a Marist polling glitch that has his Hispanic poll approval at 50%, when every other firm is in low 20s.
But in Trump world if 99 polls say he is doing badly and 1 says he is doing well, the 99 polls are fake.
And his cult flying monkeys head for their keyboards to spread the scutterring lies emanating from their Godhead's rectum

GOP tiring of the freakshow
Nod to The Smiths
"This joke isn't funny any more"
 

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FFS , other than talking points there is no value in these polls this far out.

Wait until the Donald goes on the campaign trail up and down the US again and he has an opponent to spar with , then the master campaigner will come out again and these current poll numbers will mean nothing.
 

Jack Walsh

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FFS , other than talking points there is no value in these polls this far out.

Wait until the Donald goes on the campaign trail up and down the US again and he has an opponent to spar with , then the master campaigner will come out again and these current poll numbers will mean nothing.
Ah yes, Betson's Baldrick strategy
It's always better be 2-0 down at half time than 2-0 up.
 


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