The Rise of Online Liturgy Shaming

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Furious believers are using social media to denounce and target pastors or parishes that in the critics’ eyes have done something beyond the pale.

A parish in Seattle posted a photo album onto Facebook showing liturgical dance at a Mass, including streamers and other stuff that make traditionalists see red. Then another Catholic site jumped in and shared that album with the intent of making fun at the parish's expense. But the online criticism quickly accelerated
“to particularly nasty allegations of heresy & satanic worship,”
plus personal attacks on the looks of the dancers.

William Bornhoft, a write and a Catholic, takes up the story: Against Liturgy Shaming

I love a good row and far be it from me to interfere with an internal row but, really, shouldn't all this be taken indoors, out of gaze of the public?
 


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If a Priest is particularly going away from historical Liturgical norms there is a very strong probability that he has also departed from historic Dogmatic and ethical ones as well. Our Fathers among the Saints St Jerome and St Cyril of Alexandria used mockery against heretics. People have been poking fun at excesses of the Ecclesiastical Gaystapo since after Vatican II they were allowed to indulge themselves Liturgically at a great cost to souls. There is nothing new here.
 

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One wonders what Uzza (son of biblical celebrity Ehud) will have to say on the matter.

Also there is a serious shortage of official exorcists now in the vatican and most of the remainder are elderly men, somewhat unsurprisingly, but I suppose they'll have called a crisis meeting to discuss a round of emergency Apostolic Visitations. You never know.

Wouldn't have happened in Gabby Amorth's day, I'll tell you that for nothing. He'd have kept one eye on it and the other eye on a guidelines document on dogma.

He was a grand bunch of lads, Fr Gabriel, or 'Pater Gabriel' as he was known in Rome. He'd have brought the Sledgehammer and no mistake. He was Addicted to Love.

 

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If a Priest is particularly going away from historical Liturgical norms there is a very strong probability that he has also departed from historic Dogmatic and ethical ones as well. Our Fathers among the Saints St Jerome and St Cyril of Alexandria used mockery against heretics. People have been poking fun at excesses of the Ecclesiastical Gaystapo since after Vatican II they were allowed to indulge themselves Liturgically at a great cost to souls. There is nothing new here.

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Furious believers are using social media to denounce and target pastors or parishes that in the critics’ eyes have done something beyond the pale.

A parish in Seattle posted a photo album onto Facebook showing liturgical dance at a Mass, including streamers and other stuff that make traditionalists see red. Then another Catholic site jumped in and shared that album with the intent of making fun at the parish's expense. But the online criticism quickly accelerated plus personal attacks on the looks of the dancers.

William Bornhoft, a write and a Catholic, takes up the story: Against Liturgy Shaming

I love a good row and far be it from me to interfere with an internal row but, really, shouldn't all this be taken indoors, out of gaze of the public?
But you do enjoy laughing at the church though.
 

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Furious believers are using social media to denounce and target pastors or parishes that in the critics’ eyes have done something beyond the pale ...
Isn't it Abuse of Authority, Andrew, when people, who've been told that they're under an obligation to attend Mass (and put money in the plate) are subjected to this sort of thing -


[video=youtube;sYykghsGX_s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYykghsGX_s[/video]
 

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Isn't it Abuse of Authority, Andrew, when people, who've been told that they're under an obligation to attend Mass (and put money in the plate) are subjected to this sort of thing -
All people are obliged to attend Mass every Sunday.

No one attending Mass is obliged to donate money at the church collection.
 

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All people are obliged to attend Mass every Sunday.

No one attending Mass is obliged to donate money at the church collection.
The obligation to hear Mass on Sunday is a "Commandment of the "Church".

So is the requirement to contribute to the support of the clergy.

Here's what the Baltimore Catechism says:

281. Which are the chief commandments, or laws, of the Church?

The chief commandments, or laws, of the Church are these six:

To assist at Mass on all Sundays and holydays of obligation.

To fast and to abstain on the days appointed.

To confess our sins at least once a year.

To receive Holy Communion during the Easter time.

To contribute to the support of the Church.

To observe the laws of the Church concerning marriage.

The Commandments of the Church; The First and Second Commandments
 

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So is the requirement to contribute to the support of the clergy.

Here's what the Baltimore Catechism says:
The Baltimore Catechism is the Catechism used in the USA.

There is no obligation in the Catechism of the Catholic Church for the congregation to contribute to support the Church.
 

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The Baltimore Catechism is the Catechism used in the USA.

There is no obligation in the Catechism of the Catholic Church for the congregation to contribute to support the Church.
They really don't like to think that Catholics contribute voluntarily.

And anyway , supporting the church is much more than monetary contributions.
 

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They really don't like to think that Catholics contribute voluntarily.
I wouldn't mind but these people claim to be ex-Catholics, or Calvinists, or atheists, or agnostics, yet they fret about people attending Mass donating what they can.
 

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The Baltimore Catechism is the Catechism used in the USA.

There is no obligation in the Catechism of the Catholic Church for the congregation to contribute to support the Church.
Please consult the Vatican website -

2043 ... The fifth precept ("You shall help to provide for the needs of the Church") means that the faithful are obliged to assist with the material needs of the Church, each according to his own ability.

The faithful also have the duty of providing for the material needs of the Church, each according to his own abilities.

Catechism of the Catholic Church - The Church, Mother and Teacher
 

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All this anti-Catholic stuff is close to pathetic. It is however proof that it is the true Church, because nobody gives a thrupenny shyte about the B team.
 

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I wouldn't mind but these people claim to be ex-Catholics, or Calvinists, or atheists, or agnostics, yet they fret about people attending Mass donating what they can.
The annoying thing is that when Christians/Catholics start threads on Christianity/Catholicism they automatically get moved to chat and people scream about them being inappropriate for this forum but when Christ-fighters start such its considered completely okay.
 

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The obligation to hear Mass on Sunday is a "Commandment of the "Church".

So is the requirement to contribute to the support of the clergy.

Here's what the Baltimore Catechism says:
It doesn't say you have to put money on the plate in church
 

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If a Priest is particularly going away from historical Liturgical norms there is a very strong probability that he has also departed from historic Dogmatic and ethical ones as well. Our Fathers among the Saints St Jerome and St Cyril of Alexandria used mockery against heretics. People have been poking fun at excesses of the Ecclesiastical Gaystapo since after Vatican II they were allowed to indulge themselves Liturgically at a great cost to souls. There is nothing new here.
You mean Cyril, the suspect for having burnt down the Library of Alexandria?

Did the argument he used to defend his mockery end up leading him to go too far?
 


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