The role of "social democrats"

Joined
Dec 1, 2009
Messages
32
Social Democratic parties are essential to the survival of the capitalist system. Social Democrats divert the working class away from revolutionary change. They tells us that capitalism is fine, that is just needs a bit more regulation. They channel dissent and anger against capitalism down blind alleys. The difference between Social Democrats and the traditional right wing parties is that social democrats believe that concessions to the working class are occasionally necessary to prevent revolution while followers of Friedman, Reagan and Thatcher believe in permanent war against the workers.

No more Social Democrats! They are cowards and traitors! Let us be done with their lies and their collaboration with capitalist exploitors. The fastest way for workers to ditch capitalist exploitation is to ditch social democrat traitors.
 


SevenStars

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 17, 2009
Messages
4,201
Social Democratic parties are essential to the survival of the capitalist system. Social Democrats divert the working class away from revolutionary change. They tells us that capitalism is fine, that is just needs a bit more regulation. They channel dissent and anger against capitalism down blind alleys. The difference between Social Democrats and the traditional right wing parties is that social democrats believe that concessions to the working class are occasionally necessary to prevent revolution while followers of Friedman, Reagan and Thatcher believe in permanent war against the workers.

No more Social Democrats! They are cowards and traitors! Let us be done with their lies and their collaboration with capitalist exploitors. The fastest way for workers to ditch capitalist exploitation is to ditch social democrat traitors.
Could the Irish Labour Party be considered social-democrats?

Im not sure....Maybe you would have been better off posting this in the Sinn Fein section...
 

FutureTaoiseach

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2005
Messages
7,980
Website
greatdearleader.blogspot.com
Capitalism is the greatest instrument of social-justice, and 'Social Democracy' the great oppressor of the working-class. Capitalism delivers competition, which in turn improves service-quality and reduces prices - the latter also resulting from the greater efficiency of the private-sector in terms of cost-reduction. But true capitalism can only work where there is competition. Social-Democratic and Leftist parties pretend to represent the interests of the working-class, which according to an analysis of Census 2006 by the Dublin Opinion blog, constitutes 59-60% of those workers that can be categorised on an occupational basis. In truth, their commitment to universalism causes them to support the maintenance of a regressive transfer of wealth to the upper-classes (including the 15% of households that both receive child-benefit and have an income of €100,000+). True social-justice is to be found in a free market of goods and services regulated vigorously by competition-authorities to prevent collusion and price-fixing - and where the rights of workers to decent working-conditions are protected without prejudice to the rights of commerce to act within the law.

Recent TNS-MRBI polls demonstrating Labour support strongest among the upper-classes underlines this.
 
Last edited:

The Caped Cod

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 15, 2009
Messages
3,527

SevenStars

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 17, 2009
Messages
4,201
Capitalism is the greatest instrument of social-justice, and 'Social Democracy' the great oppressor of the working-class. Capitalism delivers competition, which in turn improves service-quality and reduces prices - the latter also resulting from the greater efficiency of the private-sector in terms of cost-reduction. But true capitalism can only work where there is competition. Social-Democratic and Leftist parties pretend to represent the interests of the working-class, which according to an analysis of Census 2006 by the Dublin Opinion blog, constitutes 59-60% of those workers that can be categorised on an occupational basis. In truth, their commitment to universalism causes them to support the maintenance of a regressive transfer of wealth to the upper-classes (including the 15% of households that both receive child-benefit and have an income of €100,000+). True social-justice is to be found in a free market of goods and services regulated vigorously by competition-authorities to prevent collusion and price-fixing - and where the rights of workers to decent working-conditions are protected without prejudice to the rights of commerce to act within the law.
Have you any idea of the living conditions of most people in the libertarian paradise of 19 th century England?
 

FutureTaoiseach

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2005
Messages
7,980
Website
greatdearleader.blogspot.com
Have you any idea of the living conditions of most people in the libertarian paradise of 19 th century England?
Have you any idea that I qualified my comments above:
FutureTaoiseach said:
True social-justice is to be found in a free market of goods and services regulated vigorously by competition-authorities to prevent collusion and price-fixing - and where the rights of workers to decent working-conditions are protected without prejudice to the rights of commerce to act within the law.
How that be interpreted as harking back to Dickensian working-conditions is beyond me. Workers have to have rights but so do consumers. It would be a mistake to regard the two as incompatible. I certainly don't.

In any case, the market of 19th century England was distorted by the after-effects of centuries of Big Government dispossesion of the lands of the working-class, and protectionist policies like the Corn Laws by aristocratic and royalist government. Everything is relative. In terms of free-trade, even 19th century England was not truly libertarian.
 

pd_phoenix

Active member
Joined
Apr 22, 2009
Messages
212
oh yay another capitalism is evil thread, Cael use to always start these now Enda. Anyone else think they are the same person?

better opportunities for working classes would not exist without capitalism, thats why so many in this country enjoyed earning tax free for so many years becuase capitalism and its fruits gave the government the opportunity to do so through increased income
 

SilverSpurs

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 27, 2009
Messages
5,525
Good points by Enda. Labour are by far the most elitist bunch in leinster house. While there are many genuine socialists and lefties within Labour the people at the top are very much middle class smoked salmon socialists, perhaps personified by ruari quinn. What differentiates Labour from FF & FG is their views on issues such as abortion, gay marriage etc.
Labour have badly represented the poor in our society especially with their support for the Nice treaty which greatly undermined lower paid workers. Their support of Lisbon shows they sit comfortably with the militarist agenda of right wing parties.
 

SevenStars

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 17, 2009
Messages
4,201
Good points by Enda. Labour are by far the most elitist bunch in leinster house. While there are many genuine socialists and lefties within Labour the people at the top are very much middle class smoked salmon socialists, perhaps personified by ruari quinn. What differentiates Labour from FF & FG is their views on issues such as abortion, gay marriage etc.
Labour have badly represented the poor in our society especially with their support for the Nice treaty which greatly undermined lower paid workers. Their support of Lisbon shows they sit comfortably with the militarist agenda of right wing parties.
Are you sure about that?
 

SevenStars

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 17, 2009
Messages
4,201
oh yay another capitalism is evil thread, Cael use to always start these now Enda. Anyone else think they are the same person?

better opportunities for working classes would not exist without capitalism, thats why so many in this country enjoyed earning tax free for so many years becuase capitalism and its fruits gave the government the opportunity to do so through increased income
The working and lower middle class pay taxes in this country and the rich pay accountants.
 

west'sawake

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 15, 2008
Messages
3,592
Social Democratic parties are essential to the survival of the capitalist system. Social Democrats divert the working class away from revolutionary change. They tells us that capitalism is fine, that is just needs a bit more regulation. They channel dissent and anger against capitalism down blind alleys. The difference between Social Democrats and the traditional right wing parties is that social democrats believe that concessions to the working class are occasionally necessary to prevent revolution while followers of Friedman, Reagan and Thatcher believe in permanent war against the workers.

No more Social Democrats! They are cowards and traitors! Let us be done with their lies and their collaboration with capitalist exploitors. The fastest way for workers to ditch capitalist exploitation is to ditch social democrat traitors.
I'm sorry but I'm negatively disposed to anything you write because of the pejorative and offensive alias you have chosen. Any chance you could change it?
 

pd_phoenix

Active member
Joined
Apr 22, 2009
Messages
212
The working and lower middle class pay taxes in this country and the rich pay accountants.
an immature and uneducated answer, and even if it is true that the rich didn't pay taxes (which is isnt) their accountant did and they provided employment for him- a trickle down economics policy if you wish
 

FutureTaoiseach

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 20, 2005
Messages
7,980
Website
greatdearleader.blogspot.com
The working and lower middle class pay taxes in this country and the rich pay accountants.
40% of income-earners paid no income tax before this budget, so that isn't entirely correct. Also, the top 10% of earners pay 48% of the tax-take.
 

Foghorn

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 18, 2009
Messages
378
Social Democratic parties are essential to the survival of the capitalist system. Social Democrats divert the working class away from revolutionary change. They tells us that capitalism is fine, that is just needs a bit more regulation. They channel dissent and anger against capitalism down blind alleys. The difference between Social Democrats and the traditional right wing parties is that social democrats believe that concessions to the working class are occasionally necessary to prevent revolution while followers of Friedman, Reagan and Thatcher believe in permanent war against the workers.

No more Social Democrats! They are cowards and traitors! Let us be done with their lies and their collaboration with capitalist exploitors. The fastest way for workers to ditch capitalist exploitation is to ditch social democrat traitors.

Not much room for "middle ground" in your vision of the world is there?
 

The Caped Cod

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 15, 2009
Messages
3,527
I'm sorry but I'm negatively disposed to anything you write because of the pejorative and offensive alias you have chosen. Any chance you could change it?
Can you change your username? I think he would have to create a new account, and I believe the rules say something about having more than one account (not that that stops anybody)
 


New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top