The Sindo and John Hume

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The most disgraceful incident above all in Irish journalism was the day that the Sindo decided to do a hatchet job on John Hume over the Hume-Adams talks.

The icing on the cake was a cartoon on the opinion page showing Hume holding his hands in the air, dripping with blood.

So, the Sindo decided it would try and scupper the peace process. Why did they try, and why did they fail?
 


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RBinge said:
The most disgraceful incident above all in Irish journalism was the day that the Sindo decided to do a hatchet job on John Hume over the Hume-Adams talks.

The icing on the cake was a cartoon on the opinion page showing Hume holding his hands in the air, dripping with blood.

So, the Sindo decided it would try and scupper the peace process. Why did they try, and why did they fail?
Why did they try ?
Because its the sindo.
Anto likes to think hes murdoch and tries to wield power by influencing opinions. He wants to have an equivilent of 'The Sun'. Going by the papers deteriorating content, it certainly appears as if he is going down this road.

If you are asking why the paper takes the opinion it takes ?
I would guess there is a method to all this madness. Perhaps deals have been made to make various politicians look good or bad. There are many subtle ways to pay off a newspaper owner.

Why did they fail ?
Because its the sindo.
Whilst many people read the sindo, its 'quality' of journalism is well-known and hence is never taken seriously.
 
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Don't rule out the planted story by Dept of Foreign Affairs designed to give plausible deniability to anything that happened and making it look like John Hume was a maverick who could be shunned for a couple of months in public while being supported in private.
 

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The Sunday independent appears to me, from the rare opportunities I get to read it, quite an anti-Catholic newspaper, easily the most anti-Catholic paper published in Ireland.

Yet after Mass on Sundays when people spill out of the church (yes, our attendance is good, thank you) and buy their papers, it's usually the Indo that they reach for.

And what's even odder, the priest himself buys it.
Weird.
 

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From memory there was the usual series of pieces linked with the main article.

In any case, the newspaper of Eilis O'Hanlon, Brendan O'Connor, Eoghan Harris, "ME" Synon, Emer O'Kelly and Barry Egan is not one I care to read anymore, even in archive format.

The sneering, nastiness and vapidity of the most comfortably off in Irish society is something that I have happily done without since the incident referred to in my OP.
 

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I agree with the above with the surprising exception of Emer O'Kelly,the theatre critic.Surprising in that she is the real deal;tough,knowledgeable,passionate,and not towing any party line.All this in a publication that is not only distrustful of the arts but also hostile to any concept of intrinsic value ie:knows the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
 

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kim chi said:
The Sunday independent appears to me, from the rare opportunities I get to read it, quite an anti-Catholic newspaper, easily the most anti-Catholic paper published in Ireland.

Yet after Mass on Sundays when people spill out of the church (yes, our attendance is good, thank you) and buy their papers, it's usually the Indo that they reach for.

And what's even odder, the priest himself buys it.
Weird.
But what else is there out there to buy in Ireland on a Sunday?
If you dont want to buy an England paper then the choice is fairly thin.
The SINDO is truly awful stuff and is getting worse by the year. I remember the condemnation in the paper of Hume at the time. It showed that most of the journalists watched the British news and wrote accordingly. No original thought was required. That pretty much sums up the SINDO for me. The paper that condemns the Mail as a "Little Englander" paper is totally obsessed with all things English.
 

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kim chi said:
The Sunday independent appears to me, from the rare opportunities I get to read it, quite an anti-Catholic newspaper, easily the most anti-Catholic paper published in Ireland.

Yet after Mass on Sundays when people spill out of the church (yes, our attendance is good, thank you) and buy their papers, it's usually the Indo that they reach for.

And what's even odder, the priest himself buys it.
Weird.
But what else is there out there to buy in Ireland on a Sunday?
If you dont want to buy an England paper then the choice is fairly thin.
The SINDO is truly awful stuff and is getting worse by the year. I remember the condemnation in the paper of Hume at the time. It showed that most of the journalists watched the British news and wrote accordingly. No original thought was required. That pretty much sums up the SINDO for me. The paper that condemns the Mail as a "Little Englander" paper is totally obsessed with all things English.
 

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RBinge said:
The most disgraceful incident above all in Irish journalism was the day that the Sindo decided to do a hatchet job on John Hume over the Hume-Adams talks.

The icing on the cake was a cartoon on the opinion page showing Hume holding his hands in the air, dripping with blood.

So, the Sindo decided it would try and scupper the peace process. Why did they try, and why did they fail?
When roughly was that published? IIRC it was 1988, but which month?
 

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vasily said:
Wasn't it Dunphy who wrote the article?
it was during that period of regular sectarian massacres that Mr Dunphy opined he would join the uvf in the event of a united Ireland

From memory there was the usual series of pieces linked with the main article.

In any case, the newspaper of Eilis O'Hanlon, Brendan O'Connor, Eoghan Harris, "ME" Synon, Emer O'Kelly and Barry Egan is not one I care to read anymore, even in archive format.
the indo editorial line on all things " northern" was essentially the same editorial line Harris and a few other lunatics had instituted at RTE for decades past . A deranged mixture of workers party stalinism and pro british unionism . They prided themselves on being able to smell a nationalist at 50 paces , and the term nationalist included all 50 shades of green . Such people were the ideological enemy . As such they went into overdrive . Despite Hume being what he termed " a post nationalist" . In other words a unionist in the John Bruton mould .
But the same vicious mentality was certainly evident from indo readers when they held a march in dublin in response to the warrington killings . Bereaved parents from the north who showed up with pictures of their murdered kids were noisily abused and told to get out of town by the Irish middle classes finest , in their finery .

personally i belive the John Humes blood dripping hands cartoon would have put to better use when he brought the Raytheon factory to derry
 

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Cashel Hill said:
RBinge said:
The most disgraceful incident above all in Irish journalism was the day that the Sindo decided to do a hatchet job on John Hume over the Hume-Adams talks.

The icing on the cake was a cartoon on the opinion page showing Hume holding his hands in the air, dripping with blood.

So, the Sindo decided it would try and scupper the peace process. Why did they try, and why did they fail?
When roughly was that published? IIRC it was 1988, but which month?
i though it was 1993
 

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RBinge said:
The most disgraceful incident above all in Irish journalism was the day that the Sindo decided to do a hatchet job on John Hume over the Hume-Adams talks.
While it was certainly an ugly incdent it sadly wasnt the worst . personally im of the opinion the lowest point was when charlie bird ( another protege of Harris ) relentlessly harangued and badgered Gervaise McKerrs bereaved mother to the point where she broke down in tears at a Dublin press conference .

A close runner up would be Fintan OTooles digraceful and quite hysterical commentary on the reinterment of Kevin Barry and his comrades . Or that lady aquaintance of Mr Harris who left the sindo after writing a hate piece against the disabled and mentally handicappped
 

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Don't forget the quick buck they made on the Ban Garda who died in childbirth in Drogheda and the sindo ran the Story of her Garda Husband who was at Abbeylara - Filthy scumbags which have never gotten a cent of me since and never will,poor womans family had to read that shit the next day.

Last sundays headlines - Sindo - Berites adversary gets 4.8 million from tribunal work ? ehh Berite is in charge of paying wages to government appointed tribunals so whats the problem,

Mail on Sunday - Berties Tax dodging ?

Notice the difference - Sindo and that lick ass Harris V Daily mail ( ehh - not the best but still not a FF paper )

The only decent politicain in North Dublin was Jim Glennon and to to a degree Trevor sargent (but his ideology hampers him- same for councillor Clare Daly) Brendan Ryan- senator and the rest are as useful to the common man as a loan shark.
 

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merle haggard said:
But the same vicious mentality was certainly evident from indo readers when they held a march in dublin in response to the warrington killings . Bereaved parents from the north who showed up with pictures of their murdered kids were noisily abused and told to get out of town by the Irish middle classes finest , in their finery .

I don't condone what Merle saw but I was away from that section of the crowd and didn't see the incident. Republicans had certainly suffered and that must be recognised more widely but the war crime in Warrington was not justifiable under any circumstances.

The incident that I did see was that when the BBC and other UK broadcasters turned up in town a number of Republican supporters stood in front of the cameras in line and held up placards demanding no ceasefire and no decomissioning without talks. Part of the crowd were incensed that the perpetrators of the Warrington bomb were attempting to hijack the march, which, after all, was the expression of disgust that many had over the killing of two innocent kids who had nothing to do with the war.

Part of the crowd turned on the Republicans and shouted in unison "Ceasefire Now!" several times while the media turned its back on this.

I shouted at a BBC cameraman "Why are you ignoring this? Why are you giving the IRA supporters prominence?"

He replied back "my editor decides what to use" and went away.
 
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RBinge said:
The most disgraceful incident above all in Irish journalism was the day that the Sindo decided to do a hatchet job on John Hume over the Hume-Adams talks.

The icing on the cake was a cartoon on the opinion page showing Hume holding his hands in the air, dripping with blood.

So, the Sindo decided it would try and scupper the peace process. Why did they try, and why did they fail?
Emily O'Reilly in her book on Veronica Guerin, claimed both
Angus Fanning and Anne Harris were strongly anti-nationalist
and free-marketeers, and they used the "Sunday Independent" to
promote these views in an aggressively contrarian manner.

The Sindo did express praise for both Gerry Fitt and Seamus Mallon-
it was people like Hume and McAleese they had problems with,
because they were (wrongly) seen as Provo sympathisers.
 

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Starkadder said:
RBinge said:
The most disgraceful incident above all in Irish journalism was the day that the Sindo decided to do a hatchet job on John Hume over the Hume-Adams talks.

The icing on the cake was a cartoon on the opinion page showing Hume holding his hands in the air, dripping with blood.

So, the Sindo decided it would try and scupper the peace process. Why did they try, and why did they fail?
Emily O'Reilly in her book on Veronica Guerin, claimed both
Angus Fanning and Anne Harris were strongly anti-nationalist
and free-marketeers, and they used the "Sunday Independent" to
promote these views in an aggressively contrarian manner.

The Sindo did express praise for both Gerry Fitt and Seamus Mallon-
it was people like Hume and McAleese they had problems with,
because they were (wrongly) seen as Provo sympathisers.
Most likely because fitt was a unionist and nationalistic would be the last word i'd use too describe Mallon!!!
 
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Well the Republicans didn't do themselves any favours by attacking Fitt's house
(twice) or beating up Mallon's friend John Fee.
 

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DAOINE said:
But what else is there out there to buy in Ireland on a Sunday? If you dont want to buy an England paper then the choice is fairly thin.
Buy the Sunday Business Post. Good reporting, refreshingly objective line, current and affairs coverage and analysis, economic ditto, even now has a lifestyle magazine for your TV guide.. All it's missing is a sports section.
 


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