• Due to a glitch in the old vBulletin software, some users were "banned" when they tried to change their passwords at the end of February. This does not apply after the site was converted to Xenforo. If you were affected by this, please us viua the Contact us link in the footer.

The Six Day War 1967


Dame_Enda

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 14, 2011
Messages
52,252
Was the 1967 Arab-Israeli war defensive or offensive? This was the war where Israel conquered the Sinai, West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. What is clear is that the first attack by conventional forces was by the IDF when it attacked the Sinai. In the debate below between Norman Finkelstein (says offensive) and Tom Segev, Finkelstein argues that the American intelligence agencies told Israel that there was no chance Nasser was planning an attack on Israel, and that Israeli intelligence agreed.

[video=youtube;33C8gViOJ5w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33C8gViOJ5w[/video]


[video=youtube;A00lUav4ckc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A00lUav4ckc[/video]


[video=youtube;IjFFrsT8UEw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjFFrsT8UEw[/video]


[video=youtube;WbG-KPRldcw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbG-KPRldcw[/video]
 


FakeViking

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 26, 2006
Messages
9,005
Contrast this thread with the one on the late Stormin' Norman.

"Nasty" Iraqis try to regain what they regard as a rogue provice, Kuwait. Consequece? Trillion dollar army to hunt them home.

"Good" Israelis interpret a biblical myth and invade their neighbours. Consequence? Unlimited military aid to support the occupation.

Double standards or what?
 

Boy M5

Well-known member
Joined
May 20, 2010
Messages
21,729
It turned into a phyrric victory as the IDF and Shin Bet have been overstretched by the territories gained and their populations. The subsequent settlement programmes has seen Israel condemned and its population split.
 

Catalpast

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
26,081
The Israelis knew that Nassar was not going to attack

The Crises was over by the time they struck

They also knew that another Crises would come sooner rather than later

The Egyptians were bogged down in their own 'Vietnam' at the time - in the Yemen

Their Army in the Sinai was not up to scratch and dug in defensive positions and could be outflanked

Their Air Force was weak in AA systems to protect its airbases

They decided to go for it...
 

Shqiptar

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 18, 2012
Messages
6,309
The first aggressive acts were by the Egyptians: the blockading of the Straits of Tiran and the Israeli port of Eilat.

Nasser had also expelled the UNEF force and was issuing all sorts of bellicose statements about wiping out Israel.

How many countries would have sat on their hands in those circumstances and done nothing? The blockade was in place two and a half weeks before the Israelis took any action.
 

Catalpast

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 17, 2012
Messages
26,081
Should add that unlike now the Western Powers and their people were all behind Israel

- she was seen as the Victim

The 'dirty Arabs' were seen as loud mouthed cowards

- who got their comeuppance
 

Little_Korean

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 12, 2012
Messages
4,191
'Offensive' in the sense of striking first, 'defensive' in the sense that Nasser was sending out blatant signals that something was going to happen, the Israelis read the writing on the wall and took the logical actions.

The curious thing was how inept the Egyptian response was, which makes one wonder if Nasser was expecting anything at all, but after all the threatening statements from him, the massing of Egyptian forces on the border, and the blockade, one has to wonder if Nasser was bluffing (which got called, badly) or inept.
 

PO'Neill

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 1, 2011
Messages
12,425
Website
www.facebook.com
The first aggressive acts were by the Egyptians: the blockading of the Straits of Tiran and the Israeli port of Eilat.
Let's not mention the The Lavon Affair, the failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

The Lavon Affair

Nasser had also expelled the UNEF force and was issuing all sorts of bellicose statements about wiping out Israel.

How many countries would have sat on their hands in those circumstances and done nothing?
The blockade was in place two and a half weeks before the Israelis took any action.
Sounds just like the failed Austrian painter's excuses for invading Czechoslovakia. And maybe the Sky Fairy told the zionists to attack as well ??
 
Last edited:

parentheses

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 26, 2011
Messages
13,830
Interesting the 6 day war caused ructions behind the Iron curtain also.

There was an influential faction of the communist party of Poland composed of Jewish people. Gomulka the leader of Poland used the 6 day war as an excuse for a purge of these people. The persecution extended and in the end thousands of Jews left Poland. The purge seems to have marked the end of the association between Jews and Polish communism


As in other countries in Eastern Europe, the roots of the Polish Communist Party go back to 19th century Jewish-led organizations. And as Europe's Communist parties grew after World War I, so did the influence of the Jews within them. Dur ing World War II and Nazi occupation, many Polish Communist Jews fled to Russia for sanctuary—and many returned with the Red Army to hold high military, secret-police and administrative posts. Thus, though there are only 30,000 Jews in Poland today, they are seeded influentially from the Politburo down through the intellectual community and the Polish press.

After Party Boss Wladyslaw Gomulka's decision to break off diplomatic ties with Israel last June at Moscow's behest, there was a modicum of wry truth in a gibe that quickly made the rounds in Warsaw: Tel Aviv was going to retaliate by withdrawing the Polish government.

Read more: Poland: The Jewish Question - TIME
 

Shqiptar

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 18, 2012
Messages
6,309
Let's not mention the The Lavon Affair, the failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

The Lavon Affair


Sounds just like the failed Austrian painter's excuses for invading Czechoslovakia. And maybe the Sky Fairy told the zionists to attack as well ??
If you want to back 13 years, why not go back another 6 - when Egypt invaded in fledgling State of Israel?
 

Trampas

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 30, 2007
Messages
15,040
If you want to back 13 years, why not go back another 6 - when Egypt invaded in fledgling State of Israel?

....accompanied by the armies of Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. And they still couldn't win.
 

timhorgan

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 27, 2010
Messages
4,034
....accompanied by the armies of Iraq, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon. And they still couldn't win.
And the lesson learnt - every Palestinian I know fully intend to take their independence on their own, and they know they can do it.

And they take their inspiration from De Gaulle, De Valera and Collins.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2007/apr/29/greatspeeches1

"Honour, common sense, and the interests of the country require that all free Frenchmen, wherever they be, should continue the fight as best they may."

Very much what Meshaal said in Gaza.
 
Last edited:

former wesleyan

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 29, 2009
Messages
25,839
America versus USSR proxy war. In response to the closing of the Straits, the Americans had initially promised an international fleet to keep it open, but as Nasser ramped up his rhetoric - which had little muscle to back it up, the Americans decided to give Israel the nod to attack instead. Both nations felt that a war was inevitable some time, so why not now as after the Hamata had given Israel time to organise its call up. Nasser was essentially a Middle East dictator living in his own world. After his airforce had been destroyed on the ground, Cairo Radio announced a string of victories !
 

New Threads

Popular Threads

Most Replies

Top